MIGA: the art of the deal

@shavixmir said
Him and Netenyahoo are the Hitlers, Mussolinis and Francos of our time.

And their followers are sheep who will end up digging the graves of those they’ve murdered as history scorns them as evil.
And their children will hide their identities in shame.

Disgusting, pathetic creatures, willing to blame everyone but themselves. Their behaviour is attrocious and they think ...[text shortened]... ll have children’s bloody oozing from their depraved little fingers.

I hope they all rot in hell.

Future historians will not be kind to Trump or his facilitators.

@AverageJoe1 said
This one is actually saying that it was unnecessary to neuter or castrate or do whatever it takes to put down animals that would do us harm. Some of them have actually said that they have never been a threat. The Iranians are actually still chanting in the streets death to America and kill the infidels…. today today. .

We said bad things about the Japanese when they bombed us, too.

Grow up.

@no1marauder said
We said bad things about the Japanese when they bombed us, too.

Grow up.

? The Iranians, please? The issue? The threats? The japs, you say? You might not want to go there, as the Japanese killed over 2000 of our navy men in 1941 and during the last 47 years, the Iranians have killed over 2000 of our men in uniform.
So now I’ll call you to respond on what we did to the japs.???? and then tell us if we should do the same to the Iranians.
Sorry to put you on the spot, but you are indeed on the spot with this one

@AverageJoe1 said
? The Iranians, please? The issue? The threats? The japs, you say? You might not want to go there, as the Japanese killed over 2000 of our navy men in 1941 and during the last 47 years, the Iranians have killed over 2000 of our men in uniform.
So now I’ll call you to respond on what we did to the japs.???? and then tell us if we should do the same to the Iranians.
Sorry to put you on the spot, but you are indeed on the spot with this one

No, they hadn't killed a single American AFAIK until this war.

They have supported groups in countries we invaded. So what? Maybe we shouldn't go around attacking so many countries.

The US sent weapons to groups in Afghanistan fighting the Soviet occupation who killed thousands of USSR troops. According to your logic, the Soviets would have been justified in attacking the US.

@no1marauder said
No, they hadn't killed a single American AFAIK until this war.

Really? My 12-yr old got this in history class. About 900 American deaths are attributed for sure to Iran, but there are others.

Iraq War (2003–2011):
The Pentagon said Iran was responsible for at least 608 U.S. troop deaths in Iraq, largely through training and arming Shiite militias and supplying explosively formed penetrators (EFPs), which were especially lethal roadside bombs. 

Beirut Marine barracks bombing (1983):
A truck bomb killed 241 U.S. service members (mostly Marines). U.S. officials and later court findings tied the attack to Hezbollah, which was backed by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. 

U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut (1983):
This attack killed 17 Americans, including diplomats, intelligence officers, and military personnel. U.S. officials later linked it to Hezbollah / Iran-backed networks. 

Reasonable rough estimate

Using the most widely cited, better-documented cases:…Iraq: ~600Beirut barracks: 241 1983 embassy bombing: 17

Then there were attacks in Afghanistan, which involved Iranians supporting the military, later attacks. And what about hostage related? Deaths or terrorism against civilians.

And we both know about the proxy world which was acting for Iranians with their killings

You are so wrong,,,you lie!!! You know, Suzanne reads this stuff you are in trouble

@AverageJoe1 said
Really? My 12-yr old got this in history class. About 900 American deaths are attributed for sure to Iran, but there are others.

Iraq War (2003–2011):
The Pentagon said Iran was responsible for at least 608 U.S. troop deaths in Iraq, largely through training and arming Shiite militias and supplying explosively formed penetrators (EFPs), which were especially lethal ...[text shortened]... ir killings

You are so wrong,,,you lie!!! You know, Suzanne reads this stuff you are in trouble

So we agree that actual Iranians didn't kill any Americans. Thanks.

That Iran supported groups that opposed US invasions of other Middle Eastern countries is well known, like our support of those who fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The invaders were the aggressors not those who helped the defenders.

@Suzianne said
Pathetic, isn't it?

Truly pathetic.

It is WAY worse than merely Pathetic. It is a world wide emergency started by Trump but he does not have the guts to actually proceed taking down Iran since he just found out, HEY theses folks are not like Venezuela, they have planes and stuff and drones, what a nightmare he must be thinking, what the FK have I gotten myself into, a thought like "What have I gotten my self AND OUR COUNTRY'' never would have occurred to him to actually think to add AND OUR COUNTRY because that is the MO of sociopaths. ZERO empathy, or maybe BELOW ZERO empathy.

@no1marauder said
So we agree that actual Iranians didn't kill any Americans. Thanks.

That Iran supported groups that opposed US invasions of other Middle Eastern countries is well known, like our support of those who fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan. The invaders were the aggressors not those who helped the defenders.

But ceryyou agree that they armed and trained militias that killed American soldiers—especially in Iraq. So the real question isn’t ‘did they pull the trigger,’ it’s whether supplying the weapons and training makes them responsible too.”

Say yes, Joe you have a point so we need to get even with Iran for being involved in supporting and funding death, terrorist actions against our troops.
So now we can wrap this one up, and we can go onto another issue like the illegals you want to be in our country. You should be watching Fox News, they had a live presentation of about 20 families who have lost their loved ones to illegal aliens. Tell us what you think we should do about them. The idea right now is to get rid of them, but some people do not want us to get rid of them. If we do, the only way we can is with this group call ICE ….crazy stuff, not wanting to get rid of these aliens that have their own country. Why are they in our country?


Oh, I assume that you realize that the Iranians have it coming for what they have done.? if they don’t, tell us why that would be curious indeed . If I pay someone to go around the corner and shoot a guy‘s dog, does he have a right of revenge?

@AverageJoe1 said
But ceryyou agree that they armed and trained militias that killed American soldiers—especially in Iraq. So the real question isn’t ‘did they pull the trigger,’ it’s whether supplying the weapons and training makes them responsible too.”

Say yes, Joe you have a point so we need to get even with Iran for being involved in supporting and funding death, terrorist actions ...[text shortened]... f, not wanting to get rid of these aliens that have their own country. Why are they in our country?

There's no such thing as "terrorist actions against troops".

No, Iran supporting Iraqis defending their country against US invaders (real ones) 15-23 years ago doesn't justify a US attack on Iran NOW.

BTW, Iraq is presently largely governed by the same groups who fought the US invaders during that time.

@sonhouse said
It is WAY worse than merely Pathetic. It is a world wide emergency started by Trump but he does not have the guts to actually proceed taking down Iran since he just found out, HEY theses folks are not like Venezuela, they have planes and stuff and drones, what a nightmare he must be thinking, what the FK have I gotten myself into, a thought like "What have I gotten my self A ...[text shortened]... add AND OUR COUNTRY because that is the MO of sociopaths. ZERO empathy, or maybe BELOW ZERO empathy.

I have no doubt that the people who make weapons and make billions off the destruction and deaths find a reason every few years to "need to go to war and kill people" so they have to make more weapons.

Defund the Pentagon.

@AverageJoe1 said
So NOW I get the mindset of you defeatist liberals, you negative downer liberals. This post is of the same ilk as when you say Trump, who owns 100 companies, lost a few casinos!!!!
We are in a major conflict, we have ALL KINDS of armaments, and lost a few in the skirmish. You will REALLY go crazy when troops might die. Like, it is a Trump mistake!!!!
When you ...[text shortened]... . Iran no longer threatens us. They did a month ago. What changed? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggtt.

You forget entirely—as usual—Trump's original promises. One of those promises was to get the US out of foreign entanglements and concentrate on "Making America Great Again" and "America First."

And now? On Easter Sunday, of all days, your mandarin messiah declared that we can't afford to fund programs that millions of Americans depend on with their lives, because "we're fighting wars."

And even more on the nose? The Republicans in Congress are whispering about cutting back on healthcare programs that would kick 300,000 American citizens off their insurance—to pay for the $200 billion tab incurred in the first four weeks of Trump's self-styled "excursion" in Iran. Now, of course, we're wrapping up week 6 of what we were told at the outset would be a "four or five week deal" (deal = war), so the tab is probably north of $300 billion at this point. Meanwhile? The price of gas has skyrocketed, inflation has ramped up, and the affordability issue that is Dear Leader's Achilles' Heel looms larger than ever for American citizens.

The war has been a failure for the US by almost every metric outside the "blow crap up" category. The original objective Trump stated was Iran's "unconditional surrender." That isn't happening by a long shot. Wars aren't won solely by blowing crap up.

The only questioning remaining is whether your lord and savior, the man's whose colorectal region your tongue frantically lashes without cessation like a cone of chocolate ice cream on a hot summer day, is going to break his final promise, cross the ultimate Red Line, and put "boots on the ground" in Iran.

So yeah, if Trump had honored the promises he made in 2024, absolutely ZERO military aircraft would have been lost in combat this year. You can be sure, then, that now that he's broken all his promises based on a "feeling" and the goading of Netanyahu, every single combat loss is going to have a spotlight put on it. And for good reason: to chip away at the MAGA base. For god's sake, even Alex Jones has seen the light and is baying for Trump to be evicted from the White House.

@wildgrass said
I have no doubt that the people who make weapons and make billions off the destruction and deaths find a reason every few years to "need to go to war and kill people" so they have to make more weapons.

Defund the Pentagon.

A nice Kumbaya moment but that would leave the pesky situation that the rest of the world would not follow suit🙂
As it is we have lost the moral high ground, Putin no doubt going, see we are not the only territory grab with war.
It is SO great to be led by a literal madman/

@Soothfast said
You forget entirely—as usual—Trump's original promises. One of those promises was to get the US out of foreign entanglements and concentrate on "Making America Great Again" and "America First."

And now? On Easter Sunday, of all days, your mandarin messiah declared that we can't afford to fund programs that millions of Americans depend on with their ...[text shortened]... sake, even Alex Jones has seen the light and is baying for Trump to be evicted from the White House.

You are truly all over the place. Pick something and do a thread? We are not all wheel-chair bound,,,,,,busy busy.....

But, with all your diatribe, we are amazed that you all conclude,,,,,,all of you,,,,,that America is not better off than it was.

How do you expect a conservative capitalist who is scared to death of an airhead kamala who could have been in charge......how do you expect us to view your impudence?

@AverageJoe1 said
You are truly all over the place. Pick something and do a thread? We are not all wheel-chair bound,,,,,,busy busy.....

But, with all your diatribe, we are amazed that you all conclude,,,,,,all of you,,,,,that America is not better off than it was.

How do you expect a conservative capitalist who is scared to death of an airhead kamala who could have been in charge......how do you expect us to view your impudence?

Let's see: an illegal war that has cost hundreds of billions of dollars, killed thousands of Iranian civilians, further alienated US allies, cut off 20% of the world economy's source of oil, further exacerbated inflation, pushed the price of gas to over $4 a gallon, left Iran's theocracy intact and stronger than ever, has kept Iran's stash of enriched uranium right where it's always been, cost US soldiers their lives, decimated the oil-producing infrastructure in the Middle East, and brought the sanity of a president further into question all while violating more democratic norms.

Yep. America is so much better off than it was. Lordy, we probably managed to kill a couple of those folks in Tehran you keep obsessing about who shouted "Death of America" in the streets last year. Their eternal silence shall surely be a blessed inheritance for many generations to come. There's nothing quite like blowing up a girls' elementary school to win the hearts and minds of a people.

@Soothfast said
Let's see: an illegal war that has cost hundreds of billions of dollars, killed thousands of Iranian civilians, further alienated US allies, cut off 20% of the world economy's source of oil, further exacerbated inflation, pushed the price of gas to over $4 a gallon, left Iran's theocracy intact and stronger than ever, has kept Iran's stash of enriched uranium right where it ...[text shortened]... 's nothing quite like blowing up a girls' elementary school to win the hearts and minds of a people.

I say it is a legal war, considering it has been going on for 47 years, did you hear about Beirut?

Anyway it is legally contested You think it violates international law, and that Trump exceeds his authority. Did Iran violate international law at any time in those 47 years? That is a question.
I think conversely, I think it is self defense, and the Commander In Chief has powers you seem to have forgotten about.
Y'all have said to prove evidence of a threat, while scoffing at their chantiing death to america and kill infidels. All of Trump's citizens are infidels by Iran standards.
So.... a threat....to kill.