@AverageJoe1 saidThis time, Joe, I have to disagree with you.
Oooooohhhh Marauder….you let my granny defeat your comment with this nugget? (Gem, in law school parlance).
Give it up. The guys who were sleeping in their bed, dreaming of the girls back home,, they figured it to be terrorism. You demean them by not agreeing.
“”The October 23, 1983 truck bombing killed 241 U.S. servicemembers. It is widely regarded as a ter ...[text shortened]... ekeeping deployment. “”
Give it up. Do you think Atlanta will get into the playoffs this year??
This was a US Marines barracks, and therefor is a legitimate war target.
Any citizens killed were simply collateral damage.
One day we will learn to fight Israel's wars. Still friends? lol
@no1marauder saidI love your subtle remarks in posts where you state things that you expect your readers to simply accept on your word that it is Fact.
One more time:
Are you really claiming that the Beirut attack in 1983 justifies war with Iran in 2026?
Not "widely regarded" by anybody who knows the correct definition of terrorism which is:
the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives ...[text shortened]... someone trying to kill them in a combat zone, they should consider other careers such as accounting.
“…foreign military forces intervening…,,,?
No, all lawful emplacements. You know Sue reads this stuff. No wonder she is caught confused all the time.
Anyway, yes, is it not logical that a slaughter attack on 241 troops should not be answered,
Back at ya. Do you think we should forgive and forget, or………slaughter them back?
Someone jump in and help Marauder here.
@no1marauder saidMilitary targets, asleep in their beds.
The US was training and arming the Lebanese army which was at war with Muslim and Druze groups esp. after a Christian militia linked to Israel and the Lebanese President massacred over 700 civilians at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. That made them legitimate military targets and invaders as far as the majority of people (who were and are Muslims) were concerned.
...[text shortened]... conservative Republican President got sucked into by Israel with deadly consequences for our troops.
Everyone, it shall be noted, marauder tells the 241 soldiers that he does not care, and hereby justifies it.
But he wants no arrests for illegal aliens who break all of our laws.
Someday a moviewill be made about lack of ————in our country. Marauder life story.
@Earl-of-Trumps saidYes , lawful emplacements I just said,
This time, Joe, I have to disagree with you.
This was a US Marines barracks, and therefor is a legitimate war target.
Any citizens killed were simply collateral damage.
One day we will learn to fight Israel's wars. Still friends? lol
You and Marauder go your route, I will go slaughter route, akin or an element of terrorism.
You are aware that you two come off as friendly to EVERYONE OF OUR ENEMIES?
@AverageJoe1 saidIt doesn't matter if the deployment was "lawful" or not.
I love your subtle remarks in posts where you state things that you expect your readers to simply accept on your word that it is Fact.
“…foreign military forces intervening…,,,?
No, all lawful emplacements. You know Sue reads this stuff. No wonder she is caught confused all the time.
Anyway, yes, is it not logical that a slaughter attack on 241 troops should n ...[text shortened]... we should forgive and forget, or………slaughter them back?
Someone jump in and help Marauder here.
US marines being in Saigon in 1967 was "lawful" but that doesn't mean they weren't legitimate military targets for insurgent South Vietnamese (VC) forces engaged in a civil war against the government.
So yes we should start a war with Iran because of the Beirut barracks bombing 43 years ago.
Crazy, what Fox News talking head told you that? And how come Donald Trump didn't think of it from 2017-20?
@AverageJoe1 saidPlease, AJoe, I wouldn't go *that* far.
Yes , lawful emplacements I just said,
You and Marauder go your route, I will go slaughter route, akin or an element of terrorism.
You are aware that you two come off as friendly to EVERYONE OF OUR ENEMIES?
I do have a thing for the Palestinians, though,,, hmmm
@no1marauder saidLet it go. It will be over and you with the liberal bent will still be talking aboiut it, like jan6. But may say that can easily reckon that the president, who is doijngt a LOT of things htat need to be done that O and Biden didn't do, did not 'start a war, ....look what he did. He reminded him that the world forbids they have nukes. He then told them that they will do exaclty what we say or we will attack them, since they attacked us.. Tit for tat, we have not forgotten the slzughters. Iran said to Trump 'F' you, so Trump did what needed doing, we were not giong to take it any more.
It doesn't matter if the deployment was "lawful" or not.
US marines being in Saigon in 1967 was "lawful" but that doesn't mean they weren't legitimate military targets for insurgent South Vietnamese (VC) forces engaged in a civil war against the government.
So yes we should start a war with Iran because of the Beirut barracks bombing 43 years ago.
Crazy, what Fox News talking head told you that? And how come Donald Trump didn't think of it from 2017-20?
Common sense..
Wonder what your rnext bitching will be about. The angst. All of you. Maybe we nice guys will just start chatting in the PM box. If fHillary is nexr president, notice how our writing will have a differetnt tone.
@AverageJoe1 saidInternational or US law doesn't work on the principle that other countries must do exactly what we say or the President gets to order a military attack on them. That remains true regardless of things that happened in the past.
Let it go. It will be over and you with the liberal bent will still be talking aboiut it, like jan6. But may say that can easily reckon that the president, who is doijngt a LOT of things htat need to be done that O and Biden didn't do, did not 'start a war, ....look what he did. He reminded him that the world forbids they have nukes. He then told them that they will do ...[text shortened]... g in the PM box. If fHillary is nexr president, notice how our writing will have a differetnt tone.
@no1marauder saidIran screwed with our country, so we, through our rpresentative, told them in advance that the day of (call it what you want) has come. We are going to teach you a lesson, and tell you how to straighten up. SO, here is the deal Irran. Trump told them what the deal would be , take it or leave it. This is where you and I differ. You think we had no right to retaliate on their actions against us. So, there you have it. It is what we do. You want to be a pacifist or whatever. Creepy.
International or US law doesn't work on the principle that other countries must do exactly what we say or the President gets to order a military attack on them. That remains true regardless of things that happened in the past.
Trump did what others would not. 56 preseidents before him, getting BJs and bowing to princes in other countries. Yuk.
Marauder,,,,,,follow me here......if those wimps had acted when all this was going on, our country would have been all for it. Since it is being done now , decades late by a president (happens to be the reviled Trump, food for you and Sonhouse), y'all dont like the stench of it.
What if we had waited decades to bomb Hiroshima. It was accepted then, but boy, you would not like it now. I am right on this observation. You need to get off it.
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@AverageJoe1 saidIf you had been a German in the 1930s, you would have been slobbering over Hitler.
Iran screwed with our country, so we, through our rpresentative, told them in advance that the day of (call it what you want) has come. We are going to teach you a lesson, and tell you how to straighten up. SO, here is the deal Irran. Trump told them what the deal would be , take it or leave it. This is where you and I differ. You think we had no right to retaliat ...[text shortened]... then, but boy, you would not like it now. I am right on this observation. You need to get off it.
Trump's war is a failure that has imposed immense costs on the American People. The CPI jumped 0.9% in March alone, a yearly rate of over 11%.
@no1marauder saidIf Iran had nukes, we would pay a lot more. Good we have a businessman and not a pacifist weakling at the helm. He doesn' wear a bomber flight jacket like candy ass Obama and Biden, ......why? Because he has no reason to. What was THEIR reasons, if I may ask. Prove something? Prove what, pray tell.
If you had been a German in the 1930s, you would have been slobbering over Hitler.
Trump's war is a failure that has imposed immense costs on the American People. The CPI jumped 0.9% in March alone, a yearly rate of over 11%.
Really, you need to give it up. And save the comparison of Hitler, this has been debunked and laughed at many times over in every chat room on the internet.
Give it up. Hating Trump is just not good argument foundation. I think he rather likes TDS, tell you the truth. Badge of honor, given he beat y'all 2 times.
@AverageJoe1 saidBy August 1945 Japan was essentially beaten back to its own soil and surrounded. Your earlier suggestion somewhere in this forum* that had the US not dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, killing a mind-boggling number of civilians, then we would all be "speaking Japanese by now" has no basis in fact. It's just a flimsy excuse to commit what these days would be recognized the world over as war crimes.
What if we had waited decades to bomb Hiroshima. It was accepted then, but boy, you would not like it now. I am right on this observation. You need to get off it.
*Here:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/trumps-address-about-the-war.205210#post_4928071
@AverageJoe1 saidI think it's the MAGA crowd that actually suffers from TDS. The rest of the world simply wants a sane adult in the Oval Office.
If Iran had nukes, we would pay a lot more. Good we have a businessman and not a pacifist weakling at the helm. He doesn' wear a bomber flight jacket like candy ass Obama and Biden, ......why? Because he has no reason to. What was THEIR reasons, if I may ask. Prove something? Prove what, pray tell.
Really, you need to give it up. And save the comparison of Hitl ...[text shortened]... ion. I think he rather likes TDS, tell you the truth. Badge of honor, given he beat y'all 2 times.
@AverageJoe1 saidBut Iran didn't have nukes and our intelligence services said there was no possibility they could get one for at least 10 years. And that was without a negotiated agreement like the one that was being worked on and the mediator we designated said was close to a deal. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-iran-deal-within-our-reach-oman-mediator-says/
If Iran had nukes, we would pay a lot more. Good we have a businessman and not a pacifist weakling at the helm. He doesn' wear a bomber flight jacket like candy ass Obama and Biden, ......why? Because he has no reason to. What was THEIR reasons, if I may ask. Prove something? Prove what, pray tell.
Really, you need to give it up. And save the comparison of Hitl ...[text shortened]... ion. I think he rather likes TDS, tell you the truth. Badge of honor, given he beat y'all 2 times.
Trump really thought killing an 86 year old man would cause the entire Iranian government to collapse and then they'd do whatever we told them to. The thinking of a child.
@Soothfast saidTruman a real president, I see a lot of Trump in his decision making. Shav doesn't think we should have bombed hiroshima, either.
By August 1945 Japan was essentially beaten back to its own soil and surrounded. Your earlier suggestion somewhere in this forum* that had the US not dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, killing a mind-boggling number of civilians, then we would all be "speaking Japanese by now" has no basis in fact. It's just a flimsy excuse to commit what these days would be recognized the worl ...[text shortened]...
*Here:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/trumps-address-about-the-war.205210#post_4928071
No, not speaking jap laguage but we would today be missing a lot (mindboggling??) of great Americans lost in the jungles of japan with the hand to hand combat with vermin for several years.
The bomb was genius. They knew more than you do, little feller. You know nothing. Yeah, I just hate it, but, hey............