@athousandyoung saidThis sentence, this response, is quite incomplete. No premise is given. You get an F.
Putting so many people in prison violates their Freedom and Liberty.
@athousandyoung saidFrom whence does this right come? What am I to do if I am in my garden, and you come to tske some of my produce? Do you expect me to give it to you, after I have toiled to grow it? When I say 'you', this would of course apply to every person on the island.
Yes I would have a right to some of the produce.Leviticus 19:9-10
When you harvest the crops of your land, do not harvest the grain along the edges of your fields, and do not pick up what the harvesters drop.
It is the same with your grape crop—do not strip every last bunch of grapes from the vines, and do not pick up the grapes that fall to the grou ...[text shortened]... nance of it. . But still it must be with his own consent, i. e. the consent of the majority
Thakyou for answering the question, rare on the forum indeed. Let us wait for Zahlanzi, Maruader and Kev to answer and tally it all up.
Very brave, thanks.
PS: If i have 10 acres of blueberries, and I have plans for the blueberries, maybe sell them and make money. or give them to the church, do you truly think that I should give it over to you? Thousand?
@averagejoe1 saidATY makes the common misconception of those that don't know what a 'right' is.
From whence does this right come? What am I to do if I am in my garden, and you come to tske some of my produce? Do you expect me to give it to you, after I have toiled to grow it? When I say 'you', this would of course apply to every person on the island.
Thakyou for answering the question, rare on the forum indeed. Let us wait for Zahlanzi, Maruader and Kev to an ...[text shortened]... money. or give them to the church, do you truly think that I should give it over to you? Thousand?
@wajoma saidYour right to property ends where my right to acquire food begins.
ATY makes the common misconception of those that don't know what a 'right' is.
It's called the Lockean Proviso.
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@averagejoe1 saidFrom the USA Declaration of Independence:
From whence does this right come? What am I to do if I am in my garden, and you come to tske some of my produce? Do you expect me to give it to you, after I have toiled to grow it? When I say 'you', this would of course apply to every person on the island.
Thakyou for answering the question, rare on the forum indeed. Let us wait for Zahlanzi, Maruader and Kev to an ...[text shortened]... money. or give them to the church, do you truly think that I should give it over to you? Thousand?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rights/
Natural rights theory reached its high point in the early modern era, in the work of Grotius, Hobbes, Pufendorf, and especially Locke. Locke argued that men have rights to “life, liberty, and estate” in a pre-political state of nature, and that these natural rights put limits on the legitimate authority of the state.
@averagejoe1 said
From whence does this right come? What am I to do if I am in my garden, and you come to tske some of my produce? Do you expect me to give it to you, after I have toiled to grow it? When I say 'you', this would of course apply to every person on the island.
Thakyou for answering the question, rare on the forum indeed. Let us wait for Zahlanzi, Maruader and Kev to an ...[text shortened]... money. or give them to the church, do you truly think that I should give it over to you? Thousand?
PS: If i have 10 acres of blueberries, and I have plans for the blueberries, maybe sell them and make money. or give them to the church, do you truly think that I should give it over to you? Thousand?
The previous scenario stated that your garden held more food than the rest of the island combined. Are we still on a barren island full of people who have a government and you took all the food producing land for your private property?
@athousandyoung saidVery important those words 'pursuit of' you don't have a right to happiness, you have a right to the pursuit of happiness. Because a right is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. The pursuit of happiness does not guarantee you will achieve it, nor does it imply an obligation on others to provide it. A right can never be a Big Mac, an internet connection, a job, $15.25/hr plus an hour plus benefits for that job, a piece of corrugated tin over your head or any other type of roofing materials.
From the USA Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
@athousandyoung said'took it' from whom?PS: If i have 10 acres of blueberries, and I have plans for the blueberries, maybe sell them and make money. or give them to the church, do you truly think that I should give it over to you? Thousand?
The previous scenario stated that your garden held more food than the rest of the island combined. Are we still on a barren island full of people who have a government and you took all the food producing land for your private property?
There was a time where British capitalists got the British government to give them Irish land. They then grew food and exported it to Britain to keep the grocery shops full in that country.
The Irish starved and died in mass. The Irish Famine is very well known, especially in the USA.
India suffered a similar Famine but of much greater scale.
I wonder if you think all that starvation is a good thing because nobody's rights were violated, Wajoma?
@athousandyoung saidThere was no previous owner. Nice point.
The word 'took' does not require a previous owner.
@athousandyoung saidWhose land?
There was a time where British capitalists got the British government to give them Irish land.