Originally posted by 7ate9My mama fed me good pancakes and scrambled eggs...oh, and pork chops too. I don't agree with your mamma, no offense....come hunting.....
Why? Don't fit the imaginary world ya mama feed you?
My mama is truth, and if ANYONE does not agree with the truth she gave me I will hunt you down and kill you.
(grow up).
Originally posted by NemesioOk, I agree with you. When 12,000,000 illegal aliens swarm the borders of my country, and the President just sticks his thumb up his arse and does nothing, the Constitution is being IGNORED!! The Constitution specifically states that the president will protect the borders from foreign invasion and use the military if need be. It doesn't have to be a foreign army, either. Yet, he called the Minutemen (taxpaying citizens who watch the border with binoculars and report any incursion by illegals to the Border Patrol; they even assist the aliens with water and first-aid, if need be, before the Border Patrol arrives) "vigilantes" on live TV next to his "PAL", Vicente Fox. Talk about a slap in the face to the American taxpayer, and living proof that "Homeland Security" is a catchphrase that means nothing!
The Constitution doesn't give rights to Americans, it iterates rights
that all human beings have (as being self-evident).
When Americans didn't get court-appointed lawyers in Vietnam, did
you feel that this was right? Of course you didn't, because it
wasn't! Rights aren't about tit-for-tat, you give me rights, I give you
rights. They are in ...[text shortened]... agreeing with me. And
you are agreeing that the Constitution is being ignored.
Nemesio
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Originally posted by NemesioAren't people getting annoyed about this?
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-detain29sep29,1,6381532,full.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage
Senate has passed an act that prevents the court from hearing cases involving non-Americans
that are labeled as enemy combatants.
No court, justice or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of ha y to shield itself
from court review.
Aren't people getting annoyed about this?
Nemesio
Given the abuses the current administration has wrought on its own citizenry, its difficult to get too worked up over non-citizens. Apparently, we have lost the First Amendment rights of redress, unless and until the government chooses to waive its right to immunity.
Annoyed? Scared is more like it.
Originally posted by chancremechanicI live in the US and have for almost a decade. I'm law abiding and pay my taxes. I am expecting to puruse citizenship in the next year or so. Despite this, I could, conceivably, fall victim to this law or some haphazard interpretation thereof... all it takes is the perception of wrong doing or threat by the wrong people and Bob's your Uncle, I'm screwed.
No, not at all! The laws were devised for AMERICAN CITIZENS! Why should I have to pay for a lawyer for an Illegal alien or enemy combatatnt? Did Americans get court-appointed lawyers in Vietnam? Hell no! Until the war on terror is won, the scumbags can rot in Gitmo, and illegal aliens should be deported once they have been found to have NO prope ...[text shortened]... uldn't have any problems; if they are afraid, they should catch the next plane back to Karachi!
I think, living in the US, I should be afforded protection under the constitution. I have worked hard, contributed to society (more than many Americans I might add) and I think that it is not unreasonable to ask for protection/rights similar to those of an American. I think it is dangerous to errode the morals and ethics we hold towards non citizens. I think the standard 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' should be objectively considered prior to making sweeping legal, moral or wthical decisions.
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Originally posted by chancremechanicThe mere fact that you mentioned Karachi shows that you are assuming you know how these laws will be applied, and who they will apply to.
No, not at all! The laws were devised for AMERICAN CITIZENS! Why should I have to pay for a lawyer for an Illegal alien or enemy combatatnt? Did Americans get court-appointed lawyers in Vietnam? Hell no! Until the war on terror is won, the scumbags can rot in Gitmo, and illegal aliens should be deported once they have been found to have NO prope ...[text shortened]... uldn't have any problems; if they are afraid, they should catch the next plane back to Karachi!
Well, the laws will continue to exist even if the situation changes, and the people the Government doesn't like are white farmers from Zimbabwe. Don't laugh, anything's possible.
What you and some others don't seem to get is that the rules now being flouted by the Executive exist so that the Executive doesn't GET to decide all by itself who's been good and who's been bad. The whole point of the criminal system is that the Executive (police, prosecutors and so forth) can't decide on its own that someone deserves punishment. The Executive's claims get tested by ANOTHER branch of government.
One of the most famous legal cases in Australian history happened when the Government declared the Communist Party to be a threat to the nation and then proceeded to ban it. The High Court said the law was unconstitutional. Yes, the Government had responsibility for the defence of the nation, but it couldn't just unilaterally decide something was a threat, it had to provide SOME evidence. It provided the Court with nothing.
The bit I always remember from the case is an example from one of the judges. The Australian Constitution gives the Government the power to legislate with respect to lighthouses. What it DOESN'T give it power to do is to point at any old building and say "that's a lighthouse", and then legislate.
I for one would prefer it if the American Government quit pointing at people and saying "you're an enemy combatant" AND removing the ability to actually test that claim out.
Originally posted by chancremechanicyou do believe that u.s. citizens should have rights when on u.s. soil.
No, not at all! The laws were devised for AMERICAN CITIZENS! Why should I have to pay for a lawyer for an Illegal alien or enemy combatatnt? Did Americans get court-appointed lawyers in Vietnam? Hell no! Until the war on terror is won, the scumbags can rot in Gitmo, and illegal aliens should be deported once they have been found to have NO prope ...[text shortened]... uldn't have any problems; if they are afraid, they should catch the next plane back to Karachi!
do you believe that non-u.s. citizens should have rights when on u.s. soil?
do you believe that non-u.s. citizens should have rights when not on u.s. soil?
do you believe that u.s. citizens should have rights when not on u.s. soil?
Originally posted by Hand of HecateOk, just don't use my tax money to represent hundreds-of-thousands of aliens, or non-Americans...let them find their own councel...
I live in the US and have for almost a decade. I'm law abiding and pay my taxes. I am expecting to puruse citizenship in the next year or so. Despite this, I could, conceivably, fall victim to this law or some haphazard interpretation thereof... all it takes is the perception of wrong doing or threat by the wrong people and Bob's your Uncle, I'm sc ...[text shortened]... hould be objectively considered prior to making sweeping legal, moral or wthical decisions.
Originally posted by orfeoEasy solution: Export all Muslims from the U.S. and disallow any from entering....this country, after all, was founded on Judaio/Christian values...keep it that way. OZ and europe can have Sharia law if they want it...
The mere fact that you mentioned Karachi shows that you are assuming you know how these laws will be applied, and who they will apply to.
Well, the laws will continue to exist even if the situation changes, and the people the Government doesn't like are white farmers from Zimbabwe. Don't laugh, anything's possible.
What you and some others don't seem to ...[text shortened]... e an enemy combatant" AND removing the ability to actually test that claim out.
Originally posted by flexmoreI believe that citizens be subjected to the laws of whatever land they are in. Non-citizens shouldn't have the same rights as citizens...only basic human-right ones....no buying US property, owning a home, etc....the right to not get beat up for being a foreigner, of course.
you do believe that u.s. citizens should have rights when on u.s. soil.
do you believe that non-u.s. citizens should have rights when on u.s. soil?
do you believe that non-u.s. citizens should have rights when not on u.s. soil?
do you believe that u.s. citizens should have rights when not on u.s. soil?
Originally posted by chancremechanicThe right to a fair trial? The right to bear arms? The right of free speech?
I believe that citizens be subjected to the laws of whatever land they are in. Non-citizens shouldn't have the same rights as citizens...only basic human-right ones....no buying US property, owning a home, etc....the right to not get beat up for being a foreigner, of course.
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Originally posted by chancremechanicAnd if that fails you should just kill them all right? Actually, how about you just kill a few and say you'll kill the rest. That way they'll pay their own airfares.
Easy solution: Export all Muslims from the U.S. and disallow any from entering....this country, after all, was founded on Judaio/Christian values...keep it that way. OZ and europe can have Sharia law if they want it...
Originally posted by XanthosNZWho said anything killing anybody, iJut!? Pack them on Air Force C-130s and start the process, deport them to Mexico...1 Muslim for every illegal Mexican in the U.S....seal the border...end of problem...wait, send them to New Zealand...interested?
And if that fails you should just kill them all right? Actually, how about you just kill a few and say you'll kill the rest. That way they'll pay their own airfares.