@metal-brain saidI assume you say this because you are a climate change denier.
All tax credits for EVs are stupid. They don't reduce carbon emissions and they are too expensive. It would be better to have tax credits for fuel efficient automobiles.
I'm not going to waste time debating that idiocy.
@no1marauder saidMost electricity comes from fossil fuels, much of it from coal which emits more carbon than gasoline or diesel. Even with nuclear it is pretty heavy on carbon emissions because of that coal. In Kentucky it is almost all from coal, so it depends on the state.
So electric vehicles don't reduce carbon emissions as compared to ones fueled by fossil fuels?
Explain that ridiculous idea.
Then you need to consider the carbon footprint for building an electric vehicle. It is more than a ICE vehicle.
Far from ridiculous.
@metal-brain saidActually in the US less electricity is generated by coal than by renewables now. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Most electricity comes from fossil fuels, much of it from coal which emits more carbon than gasoline or diesel. Even with nuclear it is pretty heavy on carbon emissions because of that coal. In Kentucky it is almost all from coal, so it depends on the state.
Then you need to consider the carbon footprint for building an electric vehicle. It is more than a ICE vehicle.
Far from ridiculous.
And an electric car has zero carbon emissions while "In 2019, greenhouse gas emissions from transportation accounted for about 29 percent of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, making it the largest contributor of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions." https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions
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@no1marauder saidwhere do think the parts are sourced?
By a credit that applies to cars made by union workers in the US?
lets keep it quiet about biden giving afghanistan to china (lithium)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/24/as-us-exits-afghanistan-china-eyes-1-trillion-in-minerals
@mott-the-hoople saidFunny, you supported withdrawal from Afghanistan when Trump was doing it.
where do think the parts are sourced?
lets keep it quiet about biden giving afghanistan to china (lithium)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/24/as-us-exits-afghanistan-china-eyes-1-trillion-in-minerals
Anyway, Afghanistan isn't ours to give.
Nothing in my article supports your baseless assertion that the EV tax credit is a "gift" to foreign countries; in fact, foreign car companies are bitching about it.
@no1marauder said"And an electric car has zero carbon emissions"
Actually in the US less electricity is generated by coal than by renewables now. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
And an electric car has zero carbon emissions while "In 2019, greenhouse gas emissions from transportation accounted for about 29 percent of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, making it the largest contributor of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions." https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions
All you are doing is outsourcing the emissions to an electric generating plant.
Coal is not the only fossil fuel burned to generate electricity. Natural gas is a lot of it.
The batteries in electric vehicles leave a heavy carbon footprint. It doesn't decrease emissions by very much if at all.
@no1marauder saidMarauder,,,,,,please don’t spread a rumor that only the rich will be taxed. The middle class will be hit too, Biden lied, just like when H W Bush said “read my lips”.
All those programs seem worthwhile investments in human capital. And as their cost is spread over 10 years, $3.5 trillion would be something like 1.5% of GNP or less than we wasted on the foolish wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And hopefully most of the cost can be recouped by rising taxes on corporations and the wealthy which have plummeted for 4 decades.
Y’all watch the Fox and Biz channels, Breitbart, etc. The lib channels still won’t admit it,like Biden won’t admit the misery at border is a crisis.
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@metal-brain saidKudlow’s show, FOX Biz every afternoon, seems he is really up on everything
"People earning $800K a year are eligible for $12,500 Elec vehicle credit (subsidy for the wealthy!!)."
What is your source of information?
His exact words, I reversed TV back when he said it, to enter in my post. I always rather do that than the laborious links, which I never look at.
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@averagejoe1 saidWell share your knowledge gained from such sources; what taxes are Biden going to impose on the "middle class"?
Marauder,,,,,,please don’t spread a rumor that only the rich will be taxed. The middle class will be hit too, Biden lied, just like when H W Bush said “read my lips”.
Y’all watch the Fox and Biz channels, Breitbart, etc. The lib channels still won’t admit it,like Biden won’t admit the misery at border is a crisis.
Please be specific.
@averagejoe1 saidHe's not the one in Dreamworld.
Socialism, but you are forgiven as I note you are in dreamworld, saying earlier we should live like the Scandinavians. Hilarious.
You and MB are like the tag team of stupid. You both say the most outrageous, unfounded things, as if that was reality.
@no1marauder saidhuh, from your own post fossil and nuclear is just under 80% and renewables just over 20%, or am I missing something. As for electric cars, I am all for them, but the making and recycling is a big issue. Same with solar panels. exactly how many panels need to be made and disposed of to reach your " targets". We are talking billions of panels, worldwide, not millions, and they all have a life expectancy.
Actually in the US less electricity is generated by coal than by renewables now. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
And an electric car has zero carbon emissions while "In 2019, greenhouse gas emissions from transportation accounted for about 29 percent of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, making it the largest contributor of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions." https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions