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@jimmac
My last post got a thumbs down from a coward not prepared to debate. If you give a thumbs down, explain why. ( unless your reason has been put forward already of course ) No 1 is claiming " Actually in the US less electricity is generated by coal than by renewables now" yet his own link says that renewables supply only 19.8 %
and coal 60.3% in the U.S. And can someone please tell me what we are going to do with the billions of old solar panels.


@suzianne said
He's not the one in Dreamworld.

You and MB are like the tag team of stupid. You both say the most outrageous, unfounded things, as if that was reality.
I like Marauder saying 'be specific'. Could you ever give that a shot?

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@jimmac said
@jimmac
My last post got a thumbs down from a coward not prepared to debate. If you give a thumbs down, explain why. ( unless your reason has been put forward already of course ) No 1 is claiming " Actually in the US less electricity is generated by coal than by renewables now" yet his own link says that renewables supply only 19.8 %
and coal 60.3% in the U.S. And can someone please tell me what we are going to do with the billions of old solar panels.
No it doesn't. It says coal provides 19.3% a figure that is in sharp decline.


@jimmac said
huh, from your own post fossil and nuclear is just under 80% and renewables just over 20%, or am I missing something. As for electric cars, I am all for them, but the making and recycling is a big issue. Same with solar panels. exactly how many panels need to be made and disposed of to reach your " targets". We are talking billions of panels, worldwide, not millions, and they all have a life expectancy.
The remaking of the economy to one with considerably less carbon emissions obviously will take time. The expansion of the EV credit is a baby step in that direction.


@averagejoe1 said
I like Marauder saying 'be specific'. Could you ever give that a shot?
Can you or not give a specific example of a Biden proposal that raises taxes on the middle class?


@no1marauder said
No it doesn't. It says coal provides 19.3% a figure that is in sharp decline.
Fair enough, apologies, though still fossil fuels, and no answer re solar panel disposal? And we are talking billions.


@jimmac said
Fair enough, apologies, though still fossil fuels, and no answer re solar panel disposal? And we are talking billions.
Solar panels last 25 to 30 years. Companies are presently working on technology to recycle them. https://www.greenbiz.com/article/[WORD TOO LONG].

I'm fairly confident the problem can be resolved.


@no1marauder said
Well share your knowledge gained from such sources; what taxes are Biden going to impose on the "middle class"?

Please be specific.
Haven't had my coffee yet, but you prob know that Trump's tax cuts will be repealed, ......In Biden's home state of Delaware, citizens received a 24.8% tax cut. If that is gone, they will pay 24.8% more than they did under the Trump program. When the administration squeezes businesses,, wages will naturally suffer. The raising of the carbon tax by the dems will double the gas tax.
Bidens pledge will be violated in many ways. Even cigarettes, smoked principally by the poor, will cost $1/pack more.. The Dems are even raising tax on E-cigarettes!! Dems are increasing the death tax, Trump wanted to get rid of it so that the deceased could provide for their families.
Biden wants to force the 'reclassification' of Independent Contractors to employees. So the Contractor making under $400K will all-of-a-sudden become an employee. There are about 60 million freelancers in the USA. Ouch. And you know this. (Look up unemployment tax under Senator Wyden's ABC test). It will REALLY affect that category of middle class.
70% of Corporate Income tax is borne by workers through lower wages and less jobs. This occurs as corps try to stay afloat.
You are undoubtedly familiar with pass-through entities, like S Corp (Biden owes $500K back tax on his S corp). Taxes will be increased on S-corps, LLCs. sole proprieterships, partnerships, which will hit the under-$400 crowd.
They are limiting the 20% small business deduction to $500k. Think of the overall harm that will cause to the under-400K crowd.
There are other examples, easily googled, really mind-blowing these back-door tactics.....
I will try to add a few later, but you get the drift. Did you really believe this huckster in his basement saying NO increase to these millions of people.??? You don't strike me as a gullible sort..


@no1marauder said
The remaking of the economy to one with considerably less carbon emissions obviously will take time. The expansion of the EV credit is a baby step in that direction.
Only if generating electricity with fossil fuels are replaced with green energy sources.

https://wholepeople.com/carbon-footprint-of-electric-cars/

You should work on green energy first, then make the case for EVs. You are doing it backwards.


@averagejoe1 said
Haven't had my coffee yet, but you prob know that Trump's tax cuts will be repealed, ......In Biden's home state of Delaware, citizens received a 24.8% tax cut. If that is gone, they will pay 24.8% more than they did under the Trump program. When the administration squeezes businesses,, wages will naturally suffer. The raising of the carbon tax by the dems will double ...[text shortened]... basement saying NO increase to these millions of people.??? You don't strike me as a gullible sort..
Most of your claims are easily proven falsehoods. Biden is certainly not proposing to repeal Trump's tax cuts in their entirety. Nor does the slight proposed increase in the corporation tax fall principally on workers or the CEOs of the big corporations wouldn't be pouring tens of millions of dollars into lobbying efforts to defeat it.

No more time now, but you get the drift.


@no1marauder said
Most of your claims are easily proven falsehoods. Biden is certainly not proposing to repeal Trump's tax cuts in their entirety. Nor does the slight proposed increase in the corporation tax fall principally on workers or the CEOs of the big corporations wouldn't be pouring tens of millions of dollars into lobbying efforts to defeat it.

No more time now, but you get the drift.
Oh, they're not my claims. "Americans for Tax Reform" are on this 24/7, but I will not pay attention to them anymore!!!! Thanks for your insight!!


@averagejoe1 said
Is that you, Suzianne...?
A 'little' trouble? And buybacks are normal activity in business, as are bankruptcies, which have recently been mentioned. No offense , but libs are not well-versed in that area. They can buy back all they want,,,,healthy for their business. Legal..Keeps things alive so that you can fly to Vail. I would not want to drive. Thanks, Delta. ...[text shortened]... 'all turn it around, and you are winning, so that the government started supporting "We the People".
Nearly everything you write here about the economy is incorrect.

When the moral hazard permits companies to take on too much risk, betting that the generous tax payer like yourself will bail them out, that equates to a welfare check for all the stockholders.

I don't understand how conservatives came so far off the tracks on welfare. Is this absurd notion that we should be propping up corporate stocks at the expense of US citizens a product of failed 'trickle down economics'?

Why are you so in favor of welfare for corporations?


@wildgrass said
Nearly everything you write here about the economy is incorrect.

When the moral hazard permits companies to take on too much risk, betting that the generous tax payer like yourself will bail them out, that equates to a welfare check for all the stockholders.

I don't understand how conservatives came so far off the tracks on welfare. Is this absurd notion that we shoul ...[text shortened]... product of failed 'trickle down economics'?

Why are you so in favor of welfare for corporations?
To be clear, we must live with the laws our legislators create. Corps (stockholders) can take all the risk they want within those parameters. I happen to own Delta. If you don't, then what they do, and their stockholders, have nothing to do with you. But you get to fly them! I love this country;
Anyway, some bailouts are there for a purpose.....there is an old saying ,,,Too Big to Fail. So companies like Delta or Chrysler, are necessary to our society. So, I ask you...would you just let Delta fail before applying such safeguard?. But I DO think companies like GE, who reaped huge bailout doctors,. should damn it pay it back now....take it from the Stockholders and give it back.
So, your point is well-taken. A republican would make it get paid back. Will your new government maybe do that? Don't write me, write Biden. While you are writing him, though, ask hi to quit it with giving entitlements to losers, which money could be put back into our real economy, not the economy of losers.
I have answered your question, and of course agree with you....It is a liberal government that will not handle it properly, the AvJoe way!
Having mentioned welfare to corporations, you then suggest that conservatives are off the tracks on welfare.......Are you joshing with me? How in the hell do you fellers go along with the unbelievable welfare to losers? A healthy man can stay home and get enough money from the govt to live on for the rest of his life. How bout you comment on this one sentence......the one just preceding this sentence. Just that sentence. Is it logical, rational or common sense?

I hope Marauder doesn't keep trying to muddy the water on the clear fact that Biden is going to cost the middle class big-time.

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@averagejoe1 said
To be clear, we must live with the laws our legislators create. Corps (stockholders) can take all the risk they want within those parameters. I happen to own Delta. If you don't, then what they do, and their stockholders, have nothing to do with you. But you get to fly them! I love this country;
Anyway, some bailouts are there for a purpose.....there is an old sa ...[text shortened]... p trying to muddy the water on the clear fact that Biden is going to cost the middle class big-time.
Dear Joe - I want to you to know I think you're a good guy, but when I read your posts, which are little more than a disorganized jumble of conservative media soundbites and talking points, I feel nothing but genuine pity. 🙁



"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

- John Adams


@averagejoe1 said
To be clear, we must live with the laws our legislators create. Corps (stockholders) can take all the risk they want within those parameters. I happen to own Delta. If you don't, then what they do, and their stockholders, have nothing to do with you. But you get to fly them! I love this country;
Anyway, some bailouts are there for a purpose.....there is an old sa ...[text shortened]... p trying to muddy the water on the clear fact that Biden is going to cost the middle class big-time.
Everything you write here is just ludicrous. Do you get tips from Donald Trump?