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Originally posted by kmax87Ideological struggle? So you think the US in Iraq over an ideological struggle? Alot of countries like the Sudan, for example, are opposite the US in terms of ideologies, yet we have no interest in going over there and ending the genocide against their Christian neighbors. One more time, if it were not for the OIL the US would not be there nor care anything about them.
[b]Oil may be the main game, but its not the only game going on, and if anything is only the visible aspect of a much deeper ideological struggle.
Originally posted by whodeyWell, we're helping Sudan a lot by saying "End the Genocide."
Ideological struggle? So you think the US in Iraq over an ideological struggle? Alot of countries like the Sudan, for example, are opposite the US in terms of ideologies, yet we have no interest in going over there and ending the genocide against their Christian neighbors. One more time, if it were not for the OIL the US would not be there nor care anything about them.
All right. Forget it. That doesn't help at all. Correct. Good point, but something to add.
It is also the imperialist qualities of the United States that make it be in MENA, not just economic interests (i.e. oil). Otherwise there wouldn't be such a huge funding of Israel.
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Originally posted by kmax87All of this is interesting but I don't see how it is important to the subject at hand. You are right, the US has been at the top of the food chain but now they are being pulled down by OPEC, Iraq, and the rest our friendly producing oil neighbors. Why this is should be the topic at hand.
The only problem I see with westernization and suburbia, is that the time scales that we are configured to, must seem like long term memory loss to other cultures and nationalities. Also we have been and continue to be at the top of the food chain and therein lies a certain hubris.
Most can now barely remember the last two world wars let alone conflicts tha ...[text shortened]... ize of oil, its what those profits mean to the players in the game that makes for many a career.[/b]
Oil equals power and it matters little what type of culture you come from. If you have it you have power and if you need it from others it diminishes your power. For example, if you are a oil superpower this power will afford you to do things like building indoor ski slopes in 100 plus degree whether and creating artificial islands in the sea and waging war with world superpowers etc, etc.
The question should be, why have both republican and democrate alike continued to remain oil dependent and at the same time increased the powers of those abroad? Also, in this upcoming election where will we be? This is the real issue at hand despite the failing economy and the war in Iraq because both the failing economy and the US envolvement in Iraq are held hostage by dependence on foriegn oil.
Now what is Obama going to do for us in this regard? Oh, thats right, he is going to tax our way out of trouble. If only my car could run on higher taxes!!!
Originally posted by whodeyOil: the new gold and riches.
All of this is interesting but I don't see how it is important to the subject at hand. You are right, the US has been at the top of the food chain but now they are being pulled down by OPEC, Iraq, and the rest our friendly producing oil neighbors. Why this is should be the topic at hand.
Oil equals power and it matters little what type of culture you c ...[text shortened]... e failing economy and the US envolvement in Iraq are held hostage by dependence on foriegn oil.
Originally posted by whodeyI don't agree with the US on this; I'm just saying what they think.
Its not new, its just been ignored and pushed under the table. Ineptitude and lack of vision in the powers that be has led you to think it is the new gold
Next they're gonna try to find a water route through China to the Middle East to get all that oil.
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Originally posted by scherzoSo why do you think the US supports Israel? They are the only friend in an oil rich area, therefore, it seems to me that keeping such a friend is in their best interest. Of course you could say that Iraq is now our friend, however, I suspect they will succumb to the influences of Iran after the US leaves and once it does, there goes another fair weather friend.
Well, we're helping Sudan a lot by saying "End the Genocide."
All right. Forget it. That doesn't help at all. Correct. Good point, but something to add.
It is also the imperialist qualities of the United States that make it be in MENA, not just economic interests (i.e. oil). Otherwise there wouldn't be such a huge funding of Israel.
As far as the people of Sudan go, I plan on remedying their situation by going over there and finding oil reserves. Its there only hope. 😛
Originally posted by whodeyIraq is our friend??
So why do you think the US supports Israel? They are the only friend in an oil rich area, therefore, it seems to me that keeping such a friend is in their best interest. Of course you could say that Iraq is now our friend, however, I suspect they will succumb to the influences of Iran after the US leaves and once it does, there goes another fair weather fri ...[text shortened]... emedying their situation by going over there and finding oil reserves. Its there only hope. 😛
Originally posted by forkedknightOf course I would feel the same. I can't answer for others.
If a larger and much more powerful nation decided to give the entire eastern seaboard of the United States back to the native Americans, would you feel that nation has a right to exist?
Maybe so, but would everyone else?
What if the east coast was some sort of holy place to both parties?
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Originally posted by scherzoYou would presume that a government set in place by the US is and would be a friend of the US. If nothing else, the US is all that stands between the newly elected government and death from those who hate the US and the fact that the US placed a government in Iraq.
Iraq is our friend??
Originally posted by scherzoNot so loud, they might get ideas.
I don't agree with the US on this; I'm just saying what they think.
Next they're gonna try to find a water route through China to the Middle East to get all that oil.
I am sure they would rather do this and much more so long as they don't have to drill for it in their own back yard!!