It seems to me that this is one of the major issues that if played correctly could make Obama a one term President, no matter who the Republicans put up.
Obama has taken steps that make the US more dependant upon foreign oil. He closed down the Gulf of Mexico. Here is a link to a story on it:
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/sad-obama-official-salazar-lies-to-congress-about-gulf-oil-production-to-prevent-more-drilling-video/
Salazar’s numbers distort the true number of working rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. According to Baker Hughes:
•Four days before the Deepwater Horizon accident there were 55 rotary rigs actually drilling offshore in the Gulf of Mexico.
•On May 28, 2010, when the administration announced the six-month moratorium on deepwater drilling, there were 46 rotary rigs operating in the Gulf.
•Last week, 25 rotary rigs were operating in the Gulf of Mexico.
So the fact that there is an “all-time high” number of rigs in the Gulf ignores the fact that most of those rigs are not working. Claiming an increase in idle rigs in the Gulf as a success story is like claiming the job market is great because a lot of people are unemployed and available to work.
In other words, Obama's policies have actually cut back on US production.
When asked about the higher gas prices, Obama makes statements like this:
Obama needled one questioner who asked about gas prices, now averaging close to $3.70 a gallon nationwide, and suggested that the gentleman consider getting rid of his gas-guzzling vehicle.
"If you're complaining about the price of gas and you're only getting 8 miles a gallon, you know," Obama said laughingly. "You might want to think about a trade-in."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-says-little-shortterm-apf-1680912387.html?x=0&.v=4
Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth if he is actually trying to say that he wants gas prices to drop. He likes the higher gas prices. He wants the US to move away from dependance on oil. He says so in statements like this:
Obama said he wants to move toward "a future where America is less dependent on foreign oil, more reliant on clean energy produced by workers like you."
Obama is leaving himself wide open to an attack on the common person if someone is willing to play the card. Who suffers the most when gas prices go up? It is the minimum wage workers who have to drive their cars to three different jobs. Obama and his ideologue 'green earth' policies are making so that the working poor have next to nothing left over after filling the tanks in their cars.
I'll tell you how I think about this: I know in the USA Gas prices have always been low compared to Europe, but I think you are complaining a bit too much here.
You are saying you are paying $3.70 dollar for a Gallon which is less than a dollar per liter.
In the Netherlands the prices are over 1,70 Euro's / liter.
This is $9.22 per gallon (we pay 150% MORE!!).
Complaining on your government for the 'high price' is seriously bull. Be happy your government keeps that price that low. Europe has shown you WILL eventually pay triple the price you are paying now if you have to.
Originally posted by EladarHe has opened up drilling in the Gulf using needed safeguards.
It seems to me that this is one of the major issues that if played correctly could make Obama a one term President, no matter who the Republicans put up.
Obama has taken steps that make the US more dependant upon foreign oil. He closed down the Gulf of Mexico. Here is a link to a story on it:
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/sad-obama-off ...[text shortened]... he working poor have next to nothing left over after filling the tanks in their cars.
Nice try.
Originally posted by EladarGood plan; the party against virtually any government regulation of business can run on the idea that increased regulation of drilling in the Gulf was unnecessary in the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon disaster.
It seems to me that this is one of the major issues that if played correctly could make Obama a one term President, no matter who the Republicans put up.
Obama has taken steps that make the US more dependant upon foreign oil. He closed down the Gulf of Mexico. Here is a link to a story on it:
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/sad-obama-off ...[text shortened]... he working poor have next to nothing left over after filling the tanks in their cars.
Originally posted by no1marauderHe obviosly has no concept as to how cap and trade works. Drill for oil at home? Please.
Good plan; the party against virtually any government regulation of business can run on the idea that increased regulation of drilling in the Gulf was unnecessary in the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon disaster.
We all know that taxation is the answer.
Originally posted by yashinHave you ever questioned why gas prices in the US are so much lower than in Europe? Does the US subsidize it's gas so that the prices are lower at the pump? The answer to that is no. We have cheaper gas because we have lower taxes.
I'll tell you how I think about this: I know in the USA Gas prices have always been low compared to Europe, but I think you are complaining a bit too much here.
You are saying you are paying $3.70 dollar for a Gallon which is less than a dollar per liter.
In the Netherlands the prices are over 1,70 Euro's / liter.
This is $9.22 per gallon (we pay 150% MORE ...[text shortened]... Europe has shown you WILL eventually pay triple the price you are paying now if you have to.
So because you have taxes that are way too high, I should not complain about lower US prices. I should be thankful that I'm not being abused as bad as those in Europe.
Got it.
It seems to me that it is our responsiblity to keep our governments honest. We need to take a look at the policies that are bringing about the negative effect. We should replace those who put those policies into place.
Originally posted by EladarI don't see the "abuse", if the tax doesn't come from petrol taxes someone else is going to have to pay more. Petrol taxes have contributed to more fuel efficient cars.
Have you ever questioned why gas prices in the US are so much lower than in Europe? Does the US subsidize it's gas so that the prices are lower at the pump? The answer to that is no. We have cheaper gas because we have lower taxes.
So because you have taxes that are way too high, I should not complain about lower US prices. I should be thankful that I' ...[text shortened]... ringing about the negative effect. We should replace those who put those policies into place.
Originally posted by FMFThe world functions on the laws of supply and demand. If you are going to make your population pay over inflated rates to make up for some kind of misery factor, then you are needlessly hurting your population.
Are US users of petrol paying fully for the damage done by the petrol they use?
What countries outside of Europe attempt to make their populations pay artificially high prices to 'fully pay for damages done by petrol'? You only get this kind of abuse when you base your policy on your ideology.
If you want to make the oil industry pay for the damage it does, then I'd suggest that you charge the oil companies. Of course that has problems too. If you don't want deep water drilling in your country (like the US) then a neighbor may start doing it (like Cuba).
In other words, your population suffers when people use the power of government to punish your population into behaving a certain way. It doesn't fix anything, it just makes certain people feel better.
Originally posted by EladarI am asking a straight forward question which has nothing to do with "misery factors" or taxes on "oil companies" [oil companies don't drive your car, for instance]. I'll try again: when you buy a gallon of petrol, are you paying fully for the impact the use of that gallon of petrol has on the environment and people's health etc. etc. or does someone else have to pay money towards the impact of you using that gallon of petrol? You asked: "Have you ever questioned why gas prices in the US are so much lower than in Europe?" Surely you know the answer to your own question?
The world functions on the laws of supply and demand. If you are going to make your population pay over inflated rates to make up for some kind of misery factor, then you are needlessly hurting your population.
Originally posted by EladarIs that ideology called "economics"?
The world functions on the laws of supply and demand. If you are going to make your population pay over inflated rates to make up for some kind of misery factor, then you are needlessly hurting your population.
What countries outside of Europe attempt to make their populations pay artificially high prices to 'fully pay for damages done by petrol'? You on ...[text shortened]... behaving a certain way. It doesn't fix anything, it just makes certain people feel better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
Originally posted by EladarHow about an analogy. Let's say some of your petrol leaks out of your tank and flows into a river and kills fish. Do you pay for that damage? Or does someone else have to pay for that damage with their money? If, as I suspect - based on your answers so far - you subscribe to the latter, then surely it is your freeloader "ideology" that is suspect, rather than the 'pay your way in life' approach I am talking about?
What countries outside of Europe attempt to make their populations pay artificially high prices to 'fully pay for damages done by petrol'? You only get this kind of abuse when you base your policy on your ideology.
Originally posted by FMFI'm sure that if it can be proven in the court of law that my pollution led to the destruction, then I could be held accountable.
How about an analogy. Let's say some of your petrol leaks out of your tank and flows into a river and kills fish. Do you pay for that damage? Or does someone else have to pay for that damage with their money? If, as I suspect - based on your answers so far - you subscribe to the latter, then surely it is your freeloader "ideology" that is suspect, rather than the 'pay your way in life' approach I am talking about?
It has nothing to do with being a 'freeloader', it has to do with reality. Making things more expensive in your country than it needs to be simply means you are taking away money from the poor. It is a very regressive practice.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIf you want to call making necessities of life more expensive so that people will be encouraged to drive less "economics", then I suppose it is. I call it needlessly punishing the poor so that greenies can push their ideological agenda.
Is that ideology called "economics"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality