Originally posted by whodeyNot quite a consensus whodey, you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please, in fact why not put it to the true test, make it voluntary.
So I suppose it is a concensus. No one thinks that the Amish should be treated any differently than anyone else. So does anyone propose reforming the bill or shall we let others opt out as well?
Originally posted by whodeyare there any religious exemptions to paying all federal/state taxes?
http://politics4all.com/users/mikedavis/blog/5939-amish-families-exempt-from-insurance-mandate-in-obamacre
Federal health care reform will require most Northern New Yorkers -- but not all, it turns out -- to carry health insurance or risk a fine.
Hundreds of Amish families in the region are likely to be free from that requirement.
The Amish, as well ...[text shortened]... there are Christians that object to monies from the taxes collected going to abortions?
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Originally posted by zeeblebotSure. For example, if you are a Washington insider in the cult knows as the "statists" you don't have to pay taxes....unless appointed by the President to a cabnet position. 😛
are there any religious exemptions to paying all federal/state taxes?
Originally posted by whodeyShould religious people be above the law? I don't think so.
Because they oppose it based upon religious grounds. Should people oppose legistlation that they feel violates their freedom of religion?
I'd understand if there was some serious reason to oppose this bill (your abortion example comes to mind), but there isn't.
Furthermore, shouldn't freedom of religion be within reason?
Originally posted by Wajomayou should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please
Not quite a consensus whodey, you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please, in fact why not put it to the true test, make it voluntary.
so you're seriously saying people shouldn't follow laws if they don't want to?
thats a retarded suggestion, even for your standards.
Originally posted by generalissimoHe's suggesting that the state has no right to force citizens into these programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government. It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf. If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your money and liberty, for the common good? A government not chained to the consitution is nothing more than your next-door neighbor legislating his will over yours, and quite inept too considering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.
[b]you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please
so you're seriously saying people shouldn't follow laws if they don't want to?
thats a retarded suggestion, even for your standards.[/b]
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Originally posted by BeyerYou're not forced into it. You can simply pay the tax.
He's suggesting that the state has no right to force citizens into these programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government. It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf. If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your ...[text shortened]... dering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.
You're still free to disagree with the Republicans' idea to have an individual mandate. But mere disagreement doesn't mean you should be exempt from the law.
Originally posted by BeyerWell, considering the state was democratically elected by the people it represents, and is constitutionally empowered to enact laws, yes, they do have the right to that.
He's suggesting that the state has no right to force citizens into these programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government. It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf. If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your ...[text shortened]... dering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.
It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf
explain to me again how obamacare is a violation of these.
If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your money and liberty, for the common good?
I don't know, perhaps the people who elected congress? or are you under the illusion the US is some sort of dictatorship where citizens have no power to determine what direction the country takes?
A government not chained to the consitution is nothing more than your next-door neighbor legislating his will over yours, and quite inept too considering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.
I see, so you're saying the US govt is acting uncontitutionally, is there any evidence of this?
Originally posted by generalissimoWe're a republic, not a democracy. Meaning, rights of an individual can't be overrun by majority rule.
Well, considering the state was democratically elected by the people it represents, and is constitutionally empowered to enact laws, yes, they do have the right to that.
[b]It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf
explain to me again how obamacare is a violation of these.
If you believe this is ok for ...[text shortened]... so you're saying the US govt is acting uncontitutionally, is there any evidence of this?
Point to me in the Constitution where Congress has this power?
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperThat's my point. I dunno about you, but I don't like my money being used by other's frivolous fancies.
You're not forced into it. You can simply pay the tax.
You're still free to disagree with the Republicans' idea to have an individual mandate. But mere disagreement doesn't mean you should be exempt from the law.