Obama verses the Amish

Originally posted by whodey
So I suppose it is a concensus. No one thinks that the Amish should be treated any differently than anyone else. So does anyone propose reforming the bill or shall we let others opt out as well?

Not quite a consensus whodey, you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please, in fact why not put it to the true test, make it voluntary.

Originally posted by Wajoma
Not quite a consensus whodey, you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please, in fact why not put it to the true test, make it voluntary.

You mean like our Congressmen?

Originally posted by whodey
http://politics4all.com/users/mikedavis/blog/5939-amish-families-exempt-from-insurance-mandate-in-obamacre

Federal health care reform will require most Northern New Yorkers -- but not all, it turns out -- to carry health insurance or risk a fine.

Hundreds of Amish families in the region are likely to be free from that requirement.

The Amish, as well ...[text shortened]... there are Christians that object to monies from the taxes collected going to abortions?

are there any religious exemptions to paying all federal/state taxes?

Originally posted by zeeblebot
are there any religious exemptions to paying all federal/state taxes?

Sure. For example, if you are a Washington insider in the cult knows as the "statists" you don't have to pay taxes....unless appointed by the President to a cabnet position. 😛

Originally posted by whodey
Because they oppose it based upon religious grounds. Should people oppose legistlation that they feel violates their freedom of religion?

Should religious people be above the law? I don't think so.

I'd understand if there was some serious reason to oppose this bill (your abortion example comes to mind), but there isn't.

Furthermore, shouldn't freedom of religion be within reason?

Originally posted by Wajoma
Not quite a consensus whodey, you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please, in fact why not put it to the true test, make it voluntary.

you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please

so you're seriously saying people shouldn't follow laws if they don't want to?

thats a retarded suggestion, even for your standards.

Originally posted by generalissimo
[b]you should be able to opt out for any damn reason you please

so you're seriously saying people shouldn't follow laws if they don't want to?

thats a retarded suggestion, even for your standards.[/b]

He's suggesting that the state has no right to force citizens into these programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government. It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf. If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your money and liberty, for the common good? A government not chained to the consitution is nothing more than your next-door neighbor legislating his will over yours, and quite inept too considering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.

Originally posted by Beyer
He's suggesting that the state has no right to force citizens into these programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government. It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf. If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your ...[text shortened]... dering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.

You're not forced into it. You can simply pay the tax.

You're still free to disagree with the Republicans' idea to have an individual mandate. But mere disagreement doesn't mean you should be exempt from the law.

Originally posted by Beyer
He's suggesting that the state has no right to force citizens into these programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government. It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf. If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your ...[text shortened]... dering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.

Well, considering the state was democratically elected by the people it represents, and is constitutionally empowered to enact laws, yes, they do have the right to that.

It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf

explain to me again how obamacare is a violation of these.

If you believe this is ok for the "common good", then what's to stop the Congress from legislating the next great program, taking more of your money and liberty, for the common good?

I don't know, perhaps the people who elected congress? or are you under the illusion the US is some sort of dictatorship where citizens have no power to determine what direction the country takes?

A government not chained to the consitution is nothing more than your next-door neighbor legislating his will over yours, and quite inept too considering the current 10 trillion dollar debt we're in. No thanks, I'll take care of myself.

I see, so you're saying the US govt is acting uncontitutionally, is there any evidence of this?

Originally posted by generalissimo
Well, considering the state was democratically elected by the people it represents, and is constitutionally empowered to enact laws, yes, they do have the right to that.

[b]It's a violation of our liberty and our property, a perversion of law istelf

explain to me again how obamacare is a violation of these.

If you believe this is ok for ...[text shortened]... so you're saying the US govt is acting uncontitutionally, is there any evidence of this?

We're a republic, not a democracy. Meaning, rights of an individual can't be overrun by majority rule.

Point to me in the Constitution where Congress has this power?

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
You're not forced into it. You can simply pay the tax.

You're still free to disagree with the Republicans' idea to have an individual mandate. But mere disagreement doesn't mean you should be exempt from the law.

That's my point. I dunno about you, but I don't like my money being used by other's frivolous fancies.

Originally posted by Beyer
That's my point. I dunno about you, but I don't like my money being used by other's frivolous fancies.

Beyer, you're not qualified to assess 'frivolous fancies', pooper sees himself as being more qualified than your good self to make those judgements.

Originally posted by Beyer
That's my point. I dunno about you, but I don't like my money being used by other's frivolous fancies.

Frivolous fancies like what?

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Frivolous fancies like what?

...programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government.

Originally posted by Beyer
...programs that are extraneous to the intended function of government.

Intended by whom, our founding fathers?