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Originally posted by KazetNagorraNope
Yeah, because taxation is theft, right?
Originally posted by bill718I am aware of no laws that require companies pay their CEOs $1500 per hour. All of them are free citizens who have either started a company that has succeeded or they have negotiated their services to an existing company at a rate both sides freely agreed to.
Only in America does no one seem to notice when CFO's and CEO's make $1,500-$15,000 and hour, yet most act like the end of the world will come if the minimum wage is raised to $15.00/hr. Can you say "brain washed sheep"?? 🙄
Originally posted by techsouthI believe one of the rights they were fighting for was the right to unionise and thus negotiate their wages in a freely agreed upon compensation plan. The problem with current systems is it is not nearly as free as you would like to make out.
What is really weird is how many people don't notice that they're conflating a freely agreed upon compensation plan with a government mandate minimum.
Originally posted by KellyJayThat may be the case for some smaller businesses but most of the larger multinationals are effectively stealing the benefits of the productivity that, lets face it, was handed them by lesser ( financial) people. You know, the engineers, the scientists etc etc. The more advanced we become, the more disenfranchised those at the bottom become. Money gets sucked out of the populous and sent straight to the top.If we are not good little slaves ( in many cases) working 2 jobs we can go starve. I am in Australia and the corporations are making it clear they are not sharing the fruits of the workers labor with the worker. You know! We are easily replaceable so the don't have to. But the ask us to help them become more productive so we lose our jobs and they then pay us even less.
Seems no different to me from making one pay another money they may not have.
Originally posted by jimmacA business job is NOT to share its wealth with anyone, it is to make money.
That may be the case for some smaller businesses but most of the larger multinationals are effectively stealing the benefits of the productivity that, lets face it, was handed them by lesser ( financial) people. You know, the engineers, the scientists etc etc. The more advanced we become, the more disenfranchised those at the bottom become. Money gets sucked ...[text shortened]... have to compete with the productivity capabilities of the large ones that are forcing pays down.
Originally posted by bill718Sorry, but almost nobody stays in minimum wage jobs, and a middle class is not created by minimum wage increases.
Ding ding ding....We have a winner! So many companies can't see that their employees and also their potential customers, and if they starve them, they are also starving their customer base.
Originally posted by Shallow BlueI don't know of a business model where profits and dividends are produced without sales.
What makes you think they even care? Companies of this size aren't about sales any more, they're about dividends. You don't need to have a healthy throughput any more, all you need to do is convince the stock market that you're healthy. Or on that basis, at least, do the CEOs build their policies.
Originally posted by KellyJayPoliticians get paid a lot for speeches because it is a convenient way for bribery to appear legal. People may want to hear former presidents speak, but not that much. It is the crooked way.
Yea, one of these days a CEO may make as much as Hillary Clinton does
an hour when she gets paid for a speech.
Originally posted by normbenignRaising the minimum wage is only nominal. When adjusted to inflation minimum wage has decreased.
Sorry, but almost nobody stays in minimum wage jobs, and a middle class is not created by minimum wage increases.
One might argue that wages ought to be increased across the board, but somehow in relation to the value of the employee.
Originally posted by Metal BrainI think we need to do away with the Federal Minimum wage, if a state wants one, let them
Raising the minimum wage is only nominal. When adjusted to inflation minimum wage has decreased.
Outsourcing has decreased demand for unskilled labor here in the USA so wages will not increase because of supply and demand. Minimum wage should be increased nationally to $10.00 per hour at least. Anything less is economic slavery.
Originally posted by twhiteheadPeople are totally free to unionize. If only everyone was free to not be in a union.
I believe one of the rights they were fighting for was the right to unionise and thus negotiate their wages in a freely agreed upon compensation plan. The problem with current systems is it is not nearly as free as you would like to make out.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI don't know of any place where unionizing is prohibited. Even in "right to work" States, unions may be formed. They just can't force people to join them, or not work.
I believe one of the rights they were fighting for was the right to unionise and thus negotiate their wages in a freely agreed upon compensation plan. The problem with current systems is it is not nearly as free as you would like to make out.
Originally posted by Metal BrainI agree with your facts, but not you conclusions. People don't work minimum wage jobs to support families. Low paying jobs are a way for beginning workers to enter the workforce and gain experience. Most know that gaining experience, and more skills will get them better wages.
Raising the minimum wage is only nominal. When adjusted to inflation minimum wage has decreased.
Outsourcing has decreased demand for unskilled labor here in the USA so wages will not increase because of supply and demand. Minimum wage should be increased nationally to $10.00 per hour at least. Anything less is economic slavery.