1. Standard memberAThousandYoung
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    25 Aug '13 21:074 edits
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Unequal?
    In 2010 the Welsh were represented in Westminster with a seat per 76,000
    the Scottish had a seat per 89,000 while England and Northern Ireland were
    under represented; needing 100,000 per seat.

    On top of that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have their
    own assemblies which England does not. Hardly English domination!

    And what about the Cornish and Manx? I suppose they are oppressed too?
    http://domsweirdnews.blogspot.com/2007/03/british-wealth-map.html

    Also a lot of seemingly symbolic stuff like language and indigenousness and all that.

    The Cornish are from the same root people as the Welsh - the Brython Celts.

    Not sure about Manx, they seem to be Gaels, but I don't know anything about them.

    Oh yeah the Queen has a veto...which sux
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    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    http://domsweirdnews.blogspot.com/2007/03/british-wealth-map.html

    Also a lot of seemingly symbolic stuff like language and indigenousness and all that.

    The Cornish are from the same root people as the Welsh - the Brython Celts.

    Not sure about Manx, they seem to be Gaels, but I don't know anything about them.

    Oh yeah the Queen has a veto...which sux
    The Queen's veto does suck ... but as far as I know it's never been used.
    Besides which the queen is hardly English ... Since 1066 England has been ruled by foreigners; Normans then Tudors who were Welsh, Stuarts who were Scottish then after that a mish-mash of Germans.

    And a wealth map means nothing - the South East of England is full of
    Scots, Welsh, Irish and every other nationality of the world.
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    27 Aug '13 01:17
    I'm just a dumb Yank lass but I thought Scotland and perhaps other areas of GB have agitated for independance. Am I daft or is this correct???
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    27 Aug '13 01:30
    Originally posted by Phranny
    I'm just a dumb Yank lass but I thought Scotland and perhaps other areas of GB have agitated for independance. Am I daft or is this correct???
    Couldn't both be true? 😛
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    27 Aug '13 01:48
    Originally posted by dryhump
    Couldn't both be true? 😛
    Ouch! Got me!:'(
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    27 Aug '13 01:492 edits
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    didnt see you lot complaining when we give you big jack and a bunch of english (a couple of scots and a welshman) players for the 1990 + 1994 world cups. that didnt stop you dancing in the streets when you beat romania on pens did it? how many irish players were in the 1990 squad???
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics

    "Historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function.

    In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference.""

    JS: It is a dilemma for the liberal mind, and no problem at all for others.
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    27 Aug '13 01:54
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    The two girls arrested in Peru for smuggling drugs
    are described by the British media as Northern Irish
    and Scottish.

    This because they have transgressed.

    But if they had won gold medals in the Olympics
    or achieved good status in another way, then they
    would be described as British.

    I am sick and tired of the British propaganda machine w ...[text shortened]... /www.worldirish.com/story/21013-claiming-the-irish-the-top-5-irishbritish-identity-controversies
    I'd be more concerned about the injustice of the charges, and trial, than how the press identifies them.
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    27 Aug '13 01:59
    Originally posted by JS357
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics

    "Historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function.

    In his view, basing politics o ...[text shortened]... difference.""

    JS: It is a dilemma for the liberal mind, and no problem at all for others.
    Civil wars are usually fought over differences in culture that fester in a nation-state, sometimes for centuries. In the end, it is better that the unwilling to assimilate part be let go peacefully.
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    27 Aug '13 03:08
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Civil wars are usually fought over differences in culture that fester in a nation-state, sometimes for centuries. In the end, it is better that the unwilling to assimilate part be let go peacefully.
    Two good examples are the confederate states of America, being left to secede with its enslaved, and let's say, Syria, being left to kill its people as needed. It is a dilemma, which some people will say is a no brainer.

    "Not our job."
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    27 Aug '13 03:28
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    The Queen's veto does suck ... but as far as I know it's never been used.
    Besides which the queen is hardly English ... Since 1066 England has been ruled by foreigners; Normans then Tudors who were Welsh, Stuarts who were Scottish then after that a mish-mash of Germans.

    And a wealth map means nothing - the South East of England is full of
    Scots, Welsh, Irish and every other nationality of the world.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9801835/Queen-and-Prince-Charles-using-power-of-veto-over-new-laws-Whitehall-documents-reveal.html
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    27 Aug '13 16:181 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    Two good examples are the confederate states of America, being left to secede with its enslaved, and let's say, Syria, being left to kill its people as needed. It is a dilemma, which some people will say is a no brainer.

    "Not our job."
    Add Egypt, Libya, Bosnia, and Somalia to the list.

    As with the CSA, people will look only at what did happen after the Civil War, and speculate on what would have happened if it were just left alone.

    Good and moral people often want to feel "needed", and so justify unjustifiable actions.

    In a few cases, we've taken the "not our job" course. Rwanda, and other subsaharan genocides come to mind. The cynical might say, it is only black people being killed.
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    27 Aug '13 17:51
    Originally posted by Phranny
    I'm just a dumb Yank lass but I thought Scotland and perhaps other areas of GB have agitated for independance. Am I daft or is this correct???
    There is a referendum planned in Scotland in 2014
    to ask the Scottish people if they want to leave the UK
    and be an independent country.

    Hard to know what way that will go.
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    28 Aug '13 04:58
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9801835/Queen-and-Prince-Charles-using-power-of-veto-over-new-laws-Whitehall-documents-reveal.html
    I stand humbly corrected.

    Bloody German fascists!!!
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    28 Aug '13 05:03
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    There is a referendum planned in Scotland in 2014
    to ask the Scottish people if they want to leave the UK
    and be an independent country.

    Hard to know what way that will go.
    Yes it will be a tight one thanks to current economic circumstances.
    Still lots of "don't knows" I believe?

    Even with independence the Scots will still be stuck with HRH & Phil The Greek. (Since she is Queen of Scotland)
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    28 Aug '13 05:05
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Yes it will be a tight one thanks to current economic circumstances.
    Still lots of "don't knows" I believe?

    Even with independence the Scots will still be stuck with HRH & Phil The Greek. (Since she is Queen of Scotland)
    And Canada, and Australia, and...
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