Originally posted by shavixmirI don't disagree with you at all, except that Patton was more than a 'flea on Rommel's arse; he was a 'pain in the arse' to the German high command...the Germans even admitted that Patton scared them more than any other allied general, so stop bloviating!. What do you mean "what else was Patton involved in"? How about driving the 3rd Army north to prevent the German victory at Bastogne? The Sicilian and Italian campaigns? I give Rommel all the credit in the world. If I had to pick one of the two generals, considering ALL catogories, who was better overall, I'd give the edge to Rommel....does that make you feel better? Colonel Hans von Luck, a trusted junior officer to Rommel, was no slacker either....
In the Patton thread, Chancre states:
"...only Rommel, The Desert Fox, of the Afrika Corps, came close to his genius as a general...
I've decided to start a new subject debating this statement, instead of polluting the other thread:
See. This is just plain wrong.
I take it your talking about WWII generals, because you omit Napoleon, Wellin ...[text shortened]... ical genius at all.
And besides Africa...whatever else was Patton involved in...
Originally posted by General PutzerCould it be Colonel Hans von Luck?
Actually, the invasion of France was "masterminded" by a low ranking German officer who modified the old Von Schlieffen plan. Can't remember his name, I think he was a major at the time. Rommel was a field commander, certainly had nuthin' to do with developing the overall plan to overrun France.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungPee Wee Herman was famous for invading peep-show theatres...a true genius, except he let his "cover" down to his knees during a feverish "counter-choke", and was over run by the anti-monkey spank police and jailed....
I was thinking the same sort of thing, though Pee Wee didn't come into my version of it.
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Originally posted by SiskinMontgomery had access to all of Rommel's plans in advance because the British had cracked the secret behind the German's encryption device. Rommel never did find out how Monty managed to magically know what he was about to do.
would this be the same Rommel who was thrashed by Montgomery?
Even with this incredible advantage, Monty came under a lot of criticism for being overly cautious, almost timid in his persuit of Rommel.
On a personal note, most people thought Monty was an a$$hole.
Originally posted by UllrI seriously didn't know this!
Heinz Guderian is your man. He was the mastermind behind the blitzkrieg tactics. He wrote a book called Achtung Panzer and led the attack through the Ardennes forest in 1940 that cut off the allied forces. A truly brilliant military mind and would be on my top ten list of generals worldwide. He was a full general by 1940.
I was always taught that it was Rommel who was behind the Ardennen advance.
Well. That does put a slightly different light on the old nazi!
Pffffft.
As for Montgomery... I'd tie him to a Matilda and roll him down the street of embarrassing has-beens.
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Originally posted by General PutzerWhat the General said, Manstein was the man who planned the quick crushing defeat of France. Not Rommel.....not Guderian...and if you google Field marshall Montgomery you'll be horrified at what an unpopular fellow he was by all who knew him, starting as a cadet when he hazed lower class recruits mercilessly...the mark of a true jerk.
YES!!! Erick Von Manstein was the man who came up with the plan to run through France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manstein