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Originally posted by JokerFiveWe still remember "Old Monty" when we commemorate operation "Market Garden" ( "A bridge too far" ), one of his more brilliant failures.
What the General said, Manstein was the man who planned the quick crushing defeat of France. Not Rommel.....not Guderian...and if you google Field marshall Montgomery you'll be horrified at what an unpopular fellow he was by all who knew him, starting as a cadet when he hazed lower class recruits mercilessly...the mark of a true jerk.
Originally posted by General PutzerDid Rommel use Tigers in North Africa?
You're correct about Rommel's being outnumbered in tanks......but the sad light armor and puny little gun of the American Sherman tank made this no big deal. It was common for a German Tiger to engage a dozen Shermans and knock them all out, the Germans had a vastly superior tank, and the Sherman sucked. One German tank commander after the war said go ...[text shortened]... big deal, but when they started seeing 20 and 30 to one odds, they knew they were in trouble.
If so, he was the greatest general in history--using a tank introduced in 1944 in an engagement that ended in May 1943!
Originally posted by AThousandYoung"A major problem with the Tiger was its very high production cost. During the Second World War over 40,000 American Sherman and 58,000 Soviet T-34s were produced, compared to 1,350 Tiger I and 500 Tiger II tanks. The German designs were expensive in terms of time, raw materials and reichsmarks, the Tiger I costing over twice as much as a contemporary Panzer IV and four times that of a Stug. III assault gun. [1] The closest counterpart to the Tiger from USA was the M26 Pershing (around 200 deployed during the war) and IS-2 from the USSR (about 3,800 built during the war)."
[b]"The Tiger I was in use from late 1942 until the German surrender in 1945"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VI[/b]
Patton and Rommel facing off at 50 metres with Rommel in a Tiger and Patton in a Sherman, aka the 'cigarette ligher' due to the fact that it burnd like one when hit...out come? Patton drills Rommel between the eyes with one of his Ivory-handled 45 revolvers before Rommel gets off a shot....end of debate.
Originally posted by chancremechanicRommel , who has been wasting his time giving orders to his gun crew to fire dies ... and then the tiger's gun crew fires ... the sherman is destroyed with everyone on board diing instantly ... the gemans then hear of an IS3 5 miles away, and coming this way, from the gunner's best friend's wife's uncle's mistress and they abondon their tank, blowing it up as they leave, in fear of other wise certain death.
Patton and Rommel facing off at 50 metres with Rommel in a Tiger and Patton in a Sherman, aka the 'cigarette ligher' due to the fact that it burnd like one when hit...out come? Patton drills Rommel between the eyes with one of his Ivory-handled 45 revolvers before Rommel gets off a shot....end of debate.
Originally posted by chancremechanicInteresting that you use metres, and you use the British spelling for the word too. I'd have thought a hardcore American like you would have used feet, yards or at least meters.
Patton and Rommel facing off at 50 metres with Rommel in a Tiger and Patton in a Sherman, aka the 'cigarette ligher' due to the fact that it burnd like one when hit...out come? Patton drills Rommel between the eyes with one of his Ivory-handled 45 revolvers before Rommel gets off a shot....end of debate.
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Originally posted by WulebgrGet your facts straight before acting up, wulbgr....the Africa Corps certainly did have Tigers, introduced in 1942, not '44 as you made up.......read the wikipedia article mentioned previously.
Did Rommel use Tigers in North Africa?
If so, he was the greatest general in history--using a tank introduced in 1944 in an engagement that ended in May 1943!
Nuthin' worse than a jerk making up facts.
Originally posted by WulebgrI believe you're a bit confused wulberg, perhaps you're thinking of the Panther, which was introduced in 1943 and first saw action in Russia.
Did Rommel use Tigers in North Africa?
If so, he was the greatest general in history--using a tank introduced in 1944 in an engagement that ended in May 1943!
If the Tiger wasn't introduced until 1944 as you claim, then the Tigers the British captured in North Africa in 1943 must have come through a time-warp or something. What's your theory?
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Yes, sorry. The King Tiger was introduced in 1944; the Tiger I was in use in North Africa and Russia in 1942. But Wikipedia to settle an argument? C'mon, there are reliable sources on the history of arms that you could point me to.
The Intelligence Bulletin from June 1943, available at http://www.lonesentry.com/tigerheavytank/index.html is a better choice.
Originally posted by WulebgrOH for chrissakes wulbegr even when you admit you're wrong you do it in a smarmy back handed way and find fault with the source you really are a douche you know that? Why don't you just be a man about it
Yes, sorry. The King Tiger was introduced in 1944, the Tiger I was in use in North Africa. But Wikipedia to settle an argument? C'mon, there are reliable sources on the history of arms that you could point me to.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI'm a cosmopolitan "hard-core" American, not to mention being in the medical field where one must become adept at utilizing the metric system. The spelling is out of respect to my European "allies", although I don't use their spelling method exclusively...just when I feel like being nice... 😉
Interesting that you use metres, and you use the British spelling for the word too. I'd have thought a hardcore American like you would have used feet, yards or at least meters.
Originally posted by Wulebgr"The free online resource Wikipedia is about as accurate on science as the Encyclopedia Britannica, a study shows."
Yes, sorry. The King Tiger was introduced in 1944; the Tiger I was in use in North Africa and Russia in 1942. But Wikipedia to settle an argument? C'mon, there are reliable sources on the history of arms that you could point me to.
The Intelligence Bulletin from June 1943, available at http://www.lonesentry.com/tigerheavytank/index.html is a better choice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm
