Plack pators want bust of Margaret Sanger removed

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
This fallacy, on the other hand, is known as a "straw man."

No, what you brought up was a straw man.

I simply pointed out that you race genocide apologist.

Originally posted by Eladar
No, what you brought up was a straw man.

I simply pointed it out you race genocide apologist.

This post contains no fallacy (nor an argument), but I believe I can respond to it implicitly, citing Duchess64's favourite catchphrase.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
This post contains no fallacy (nor an argument), but I believe I can respond to it implicitly, citing Duchess64's favourite catchphrase.

Believe what you want to believe. No use in trying to have a rational discussion with a race genocide apologist.

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There is that word again, "controversial".

The last time I heard it from you was when discussing Al Amin Huessini who was wanted for Nazi war crimes but evaded trial.

So getting back to the topic, do you feel that since Margaret Sanger is now "controverial", like Al Amin, should her bust be removed from the Smithsonian Institute?

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Should Al Amin's proud bust be put in the Smithsonian along side a Holocaust display Duchess, just like we see Margaret Sanger's bust beside the PP display?

Do we like controversy Duchess?

Oh, dear, more controversy

“She [Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood] even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: ‘I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak … In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered.’ (Margaret Sanger, ‘An Autobiography,’ Page 366).” — The Washington Times, “Margaret Sanger, racist eugenicist extraordinaire,” May 5, 2014, by Arina Grossu.



Here is a fuller version of that Sanger quote:

“Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing. […] Never before had I looked into a sea of faces like these. I was sure that if I uttered one word, such as abortion, outside the usual vocabulary of these women they would go off into hysteria. And so my address that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand. In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered. The conversation went on and on, and when we were finally through it was too late to return to New York.” (Sanger, Chapter 29, “While the Doctors Consult”, p. 366.)

Author Grossu (Washington Times) continues:

“In a letter to Clarence Gable in 1939, Sanger wrote: ‘We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.’ (Margaret Sanger commenting on the ‘Negro Project’ in a letter to Gamble, Dec. 10, 1939).”

And then Grossu comments:

“79 percent of Planned Parenthood’s surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of black or Hispanic communities.”

Finally, Grossu writes:

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Abortion Surveillance report revealed that between 2007 and 2010, nearly 36 percent of all abortions in the United States were performed on black children, even though black Americans make up only 13 percent of our population.”

Margaret Sanger was a leader in the American eugenics movement. Some have argued that her comments about wanting to exterminate the black population were misconstrued: Sanger was actually saying she didn’t want people to get the wrong idea and think she was advocating genocide. On the other hand, Sanger wrote, in her famous 1912 essay, “What Every Girl Should Know”:

“In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets.”

Sanger also wrote this:

“Birth control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks—those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.” (“Apostle of Birth Control Sees Cause Gaining Here”, The New York Times, 1923-04-08)

Here’s another quote from Sanger:

“…apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted…to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be…for the period of their entire lives.” –– Margaret Sanger, Birth Control Review, “A Plan for Peace”, April 1932, Vol 26, Number 4

And if that is not clear enough, Sanger wrote this:

“The main objects of the Population Congress would be […] (f) to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.” (“A Plan for Peace”, April 1932, pp. 107-108, summarizing an address to the New History Society, New York City, 1932-01-17)

Here is another Sanger quote, from her 1920 book, Women and the New Race—Chapter 5, “The Wickedness of Creating Large Families”:

“The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it. The same factors which create the terrible infant mortality rate, and which swell the death rate of children between the ages of one and five, operate even more extensively to lower the health rate of the surviving members [in large families].”

Margaret Sanger was one of America’s leading proponents of eugenics. She favored sterilization and segregation, in order to prevent giving birth among those women she deemed unfit and defective.

Planned Parenthood, of course, chooses to downplay these aggressive views of its founder. The group also avoids mentioning that Sanger was strongly opposed to abortion, favoring the eugenicist birth-control methods I just mentioned.

Originally posted by whodey
Oh, dear, more controversy

“She [Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood] even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: ‘I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I ...[text shortened]... as strongly opposed to abortion, favoring the eugenicist birth-control methods I just mentioned.

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/apr/08/herman-cain/cain-claims-planned-parenthood-founded-planned-gen/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/herman-cains-rewriting-of-birth-control-history/2011/10/31/gIQAr53uaM_blog.html?hpid=z2

This has all been debunked before.

EDIT: “A sickly race is a weak race. As long as Negro mothers die in childbirth at two and one-half times the rate of white mothers, as long as Negro babies are dying at twice the rate of white babies, colored homes will be unhappy.

“Greater understanding and practice of planned parenthood, through the use of contraceptive methods prescribed by doctors and clinics, will mean that there will be more strong and healthy children and fewer defective and handicapped babies unable to find a useful or happy place in life.

http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=320145.xml

Discrimination is a world-wide thing. It has to be opposed everywhere. That is why I feel the Negro’s plight here is linked with that of the oppressed around the globe.

“The big answer, as I see it, is the education of the white man. The white man is the problem. It is the same as with the Nazis. We must change the white attitudes. That is where it lies.”

(same source as above a 1945 article in the Chicago Defender)

Originally posted by whodey
Oh, dear, more controversy

“She [Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood] even presented at a Ku Klux Klan rally in 1926 in Silver Lake, N.J. She recounted this event in her autobiography: ‘I accepted an invitation to talk to the women’s branch of the Ku Klux Klan … I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses … I ...[text shortened]... as strongly opposed to abortion, favoring the eugenicist birth-control methods I just mentioned.

When Sanger is referring to "race" or "racial", she means the human race, not any specific subcategory that have been created. And her first priority is on women's freedom:

We MAINTAIN THAT A woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions IS the best judge of the time and conditions under whlch her child should
be brought into the world. We further malntain that it is her rlght, regardless of all other
considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how
many chlldren she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother.

From "Birth Control and Racial Betterment"

http://library.lifedynamics.com/Birth%20Control%20Review/1919-02%20February.pdf

p. 11-12

Originally posted by no1marauder
When Sanger is referring to "race" or "racial", she means the human race, not any specific subcategory that have been created. And her first priority is on women's freedom:

We MAINTAIN THAT A woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions IS the best judge of the time and conditions under whlch her child should
be brought into ...[text shortened]... "

http://library.lifedynamics.com/Birth%20Control%20Review/1919-02%20February.pdf

p. 11-12

Would you agree with this statement by Sanger?

“In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets.”

Originally posted by whodey
Would you agree with this statement by Sanger?

“In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher tha ...[text shortened]... rol that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets.”

"What Every Girl Should Know" is filled with many assertions that modern knowledge of biology render untenable.

That hardly proves the absurd assertions that you and other right wing nuts make, for purely propaganda reasons, against Sanger.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Newton dabbled in alchemy and astrology.

Therefore, physics is wrong.

Eugenics is not astrology. Ms. Sangers, and often the advocates of birth control especially target those groups with high birth rates.

Abortion has been disproportionally used to reduce the black population in the US.

Originally posted by no1marauder
"What Every Girl Should Know" is filled with many assertions that modern knowledge of biology render untenable.

That hardly proves the absurd assertions that you and other right wing nuts make, for purely propaganda reasons, against Sanger.

Face it, Sanger was a eugenicist. It's no secret she held racist beliefs.

Originally posted by normbenign
Face it, Sanger was a eugenicist. It's no secret she held racist beliefs.

Present some evidence she held racist beliefs then.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Present some evidence she held racist beliefs then.

It's been done.