Plato -- sorry, much too radical.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
But you said this…

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
You don't think there were ancient civilizations that mutilated or even sacrificed their children?

Now you are agreeing they didn’t have the technology to do this?

🤡😂

You need to follow a conversation better. It was relating to the post saying:

'They certainly weren't trying to replace each other's genitalia.'

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
You need to follow a conversation better. It was relating to the post saying:

'They certainly weren't trying to replace each other's genitalia.'

Did you not ask this question?



“You don't think there were ancient civilizations that mutilated or even sacrificed their children?”

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Did you not ask this question?



“You don't think there were ancient civilizations that mutilated or even sacrificed their children?”

Sure. Do you not think ancient civilizations had the technology to sacrifice children?

@Indonesia-Phil said
'Basically nobody cares.'

Would that that were true. You may not care, and I may not care, but there are plenty who very apparently do, and my how the insults fly....

For heaven's sake why can't people just accept that other people are different, and embrace the differences, which make humanity the wonderful, diverse and ever fascinating thing that it surely is? Living life is like skinning a cat, there's more than one way to do it.

Let me explain this a bit better.

People did accept the gay lifestyle decades ago. It is only in the last 20 years or so the LGBTQ++ community decided that not only should the conservative crowd accept them, but also celebrate them, and teach their kids about the alternative lifestyle. So, here is the rundown ...

- Accept them - YES , most people did and left them alone
- Celebrate them - NO ... we aint doing that
- Teach the kids .. HELL NO ... GTFO with that nonsense.

I hope you understand what Im saying and that you can see where the problem is. It is not with the conservatives.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Sure. Do you not think ancient civilizations had the technology to sacrifice children?

And just like that he omits “mutilate” 🙄🤡

@Mott-The-Hoople said
And just like that he omits “mutilate”

Can you just back up and re-read the thread. Of course ancient civilizations had the 'technology' to mutilate or sacrifice children. What they didn't have (obviously) was the technology to exchange genitalia.

Why do you require spoon-feeding?

@Rajk999 said
Let me explain this a bit better.

People did accept the gay lifestyle decades ago. It is only in the last 20 years or so the LGBTQ++ community decided that not only should the conservative crowd accept them, but also celebrate them, and teach their kids about the alternative lifestyle. So, here is the rundown ...

- Accept them - YES , most people did and left them ...[text shortened]... derstand what Im saying and that you can see where the problem is. It is not with the conservatives.

Explain how banning Plato from a university philosophy course for young adults (18+) contributes to a better-informed or more just society.


Plato is not an instruction manual for mutilating children--you do know this, don't you?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Can you just back up and re-read the thread. Of course ancient civilizations had the 'technology' to mutilate or sacrifice children. What they didn't have (obviously) was the technology to exchange genitalia.

Why do you require spoon-feeding?

Why are you flip flopping?



@kmax87 said
They just didn't have the technology.


Ghost of Duke said

Beat me to it.

Now you say…

What they didn't have (obviously) was the technology to exchange genitalia.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Why are you flip flopping?



@kmax87 said
They just didn't have the technology.


Ghost of Duke said

Beat me to it.

Now you say…

What they didn't have (obviously) was the technology to exchange genitalia.

Man, you're slow. Here, have a ball.

@wildgrass said
Here's an excellent article on the subject. I guess Thomas Jefferson hated Plato, but even he would be appalled to read the decision by Texas A&M to ban Plato's teachings on their campus.

[quote]It’s highly unlikely that the Texas A&M regents read Plato before drafting their policy. If they had, they would have discovered that, far from “advocating gender ideology,” he c ...[text shortened]... uote]
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/01/texas-censorship-plato-philosophy-sexuality/685597/

Excellent post there, wildgrass. Thank you for some sanity here amongst the hysterical hooting about mutilating children.

Plato is literally the father of critical thinking for the whole of Western civilization. What his famous Dialogs present is a method, commonly known as the Socratic Method, of teaching, whereby a topic is discussed by several different characters, each proposing a different point of view, and the characters then analyzse each POV, testing the arguments logically, assessing the evidence, looking for better arguments and more compelling evidence, step-by-step, as an analytical process. They aren't called DIALOGS for nothing.

The regents of the university who insisted on the ban quite obviously have not read the Dialog in question, because if they had, they would know that Plato did not advocate homosexuality. In the Dialog in question, Socrates pointedly rejects a homo-erotic overture from one of the other characters.

The ban will ultimately backfire. Nickels to navy beans, amazon has recently registered a massive increase in orders for Plato's writings!

@moonbus said
Explain how banning Plato from a university philosophy course for young adults (18+) contributes to a better-informed or more just society.


Plato is not an instruction manual for mutilating children--you do know this, don't you?

I did not post my opinion on this as the topic when off the rails there. Plato did not directly condemn a homosexual lifestyle the way a conservative Christian would do. Plato does have some writings that appear to accept a man/man relationship [not necessarily sexual], as the ideal, and this can be either wrong or misleading and clearly contrary to religious teachings. As for mutilating children, I personally see no indication of that in Platos writing, although Im no expert and I should read up some more here.

@Rajk999 said
Let me explain this a bit better.

People did accept the gay lifestyle decades ago. It is only in the last 20 years or so the LGBTQ++ community decided that not only should the conservative crowd accept them, but also celebrate them, and teach their kids about the alternative lifestyle. So, here is the rundown ...

- Accept them - YES , most people did and left them ...[text shortened]... derstand what Im saying and that you can see where the problem is. It is not with the conservatives.

You write "hell no" to teaching kids (college-age) about Plato's dialogues, which are widely regarded as a basis of Western thought for two millenia?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Man, you're slow. Here, have a ball.

Got two big ones already

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Got two big ones already

Ouch, orchitis?

You have my sympathies.

@wildgrass said
You write "hell no" to teaching kids (college-age) about Plato's dialogues, which are widely regarded as a basis of Western thought for two millenia?

I wrote 'hell no', to teaching kids about the LGBTQ alternative lifestyle.
Have a read of my post again.