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@Mott-The-Hoople saidRE: "libs" -- that's just too ambiguous, if by "libs" you mean "liberals".
I didn’t call you anything …why are you libs so dishonest?
I'd suggest just typing out "progressives" or setting up a keyboard macro for it (don't be lazy and just type "progs" ).
Also, do you really consider those Cronenbergian sprouts in your field to be your grandchildren? That's a weird kind of pride.
Pop quiz: On which day did David Bowie die? (no internet searching, please)
@Indonesia-Phil saidThe Quran, is a good example of a book that needs to be eliminated from this planet. There are some other examples. Karl Marx was a dunce and a failure. Capitalism never ended as he predicted. His work is ridiculous and backward. There are many examples of destructive books. There are books being used in some US schools that are teaching kids how to have homosexual intercourse. These people have gone mad. Some people are not able to make rational decisions.
Reading certain kinds of literature encourages people to believe that homosexuality is a sin and not ok. It isn't a sin, regardless.
See, it depends which way you look at it, and what you believe, the point here being that all literature, opinion, philosophy and so on must be available, in order that people may form informed, rational opinions.
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@Rajk999 saidThe Vatican maintained the Index Librorum Prohibitorum, commonly know as the list of forbidden books. Among the authors/books on the list were:
Not necessarily. Dont extrapolate into the unknown. People ban what is clearly divisive or perverted.
Johannes Kepler (Epitome astronomiae Copernicanae), Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason, Martin Luther, Simone de Beauvoir, Nicolas Malebranche, Jean-Paul Sartre, Michel de Montaigne, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Victor Hugo, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, André Gide, Nikos Kazantzakis, Emanuel Swedenborg, Baruch Spinoza, Desiderius Erasmus, (See Legacy and Evaluations of Erasmus), Immanuel Kant, David Hume, René Descartes, Francis Bacon, Thomas Browne, John Milton, John Locke, Nicolaus Copernicus, Niccolò Machiavelli, Galileo Galilei, Blaise Pascal.
Absent from the list, however, were Plato, Hitler's Mein Kempf, and avowed atheists Nietzsche and Schopenhauer.
The list was maintained from 1560 and abandoned in 1966.
How do you stand on the Vatican's list? And how effective do you think it was in preventing people from thinking divisive and perverted thoughts, given that the Catholic Church and the Inquisition specifically had considerably more 'horsepower' to punish infractions than TX has.
@moonbus saidIf only America had a bill of rights, and a legal system where the right to free speech was upheld.
Texas A&M bans Plato.
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Martin Peterson, a philosophy professor at Texas A&M University, was told this week by university administrators that he either would need to drop a discussion of race and gender issues and the writings by Plato on those topics from his introductory philosophy course or teach a different course.
The mandate comes as part of a review of co ...[text shortened]... d mention that the history of critical thinking in Western civilisation basically starts with Plato.
@Arkturos saidI would suggest you start being truthful 😉
RE: "libs" -- that's just too ambiguous, if by "libs" you mean "liberals".
I'd suggest just typing out "progressives" or setting up a keyboard macro for it (don't be lazy and just type "progs" ).
Also, do you really consider those Cronenbergian sprouts in your field to be your grandchildren? That's a weird kind of pride.
Pop quiz: On which day did David Bowie die? (no internet searching, please)
@Rajk999 saidJohn Stuart Mill claimed that the best way to deal with false or faulty ideas is to debate them in public--let their proponents present their best arguments, reasons, and evidence, and then refute them with better arguments, reasons, and evidence.
The Quran, is a good example of a book that needs to be eliminated from this planet. There are some other examples. Karl Marx was a dunce and a failure. Capitalism never ended as he predicted. His work is ridiculous and backward. There are many examples of destructive books. There are books being used in some US schools that are teaching kids how to have homosexual intercourse. These people have gone mad. Some people are not able to make rational decisions.
Would you agree with that?
And if so, how does banning Plato from a university philosophy course foster a debate about a current moral issue, such as gender identity?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidI studied philosophy, both as an undergrad and as a postgrad. Yes, I think I know what happens in philosophy classes. The usual procedure is for the professor to assign readings on some topic, let's say Zeno's Paradoxes or gender identity, just to pick two out of a hat. There are well-known books and articles on both of these subjects, some ancient, some modern. The professor might set out what the basic issues involved are and define some terms. The term "gender", for example, is not nearly so simple as it might initially seem, since it cannot be reduced to sex organs or physiology--there are other factors involved in "gender", otherwise it would simply be a synonym for "sex." The professor might summarize the arguments or the evidence presented in the various readings, compare and contrast them, point out faulty logic in one, inconsistent or inconclusive evidence in another, ideological bias in a third, etc. The professor would almost certainly solicit input from the students, let them discuss the issues amongst themselves, encourage them to present their own ideas about it or even make a presentation before the other students in class.
“I teach students how to structure and evaluate arguments commonly raised in discussions of contemporary moral issues.”
AKA …the instructor teaches them how to think.
What qualifies him to teach morality?
Can you give an example of what might take place in his class?
This is how learning to think critically is taught.
John Stuart Mill claimed that the best way to deal with false or faulty ideas is to debate them in public--let their proponents present their best arguments, reasons, and evidence, and then refute them with better arguments, reasons, and evidence. Would you agree with that?
Have you read Plato's Dialogs? This is how Plato too thought philosophy should be done: his Dialogs are imaginary debates among several persons around some specific topic, such as what can be known, or civil disobedience, or love (which is the case in question at Texas A&M University), with each interlocutor taking up some position with respect to the topic and presenting his best argument for it.
What qualifies Peterson to teach morality? Well, what qualifies anyone else to teach law or physics or medicine? Pretty obvious, isn't it: morality (do this, don't do that) and ethics (what is the nature of right and wrong and good and evil, what is the basis of value judgments, are there moral absolutes, etc.) are universally recognized to be part of a standard philosophy course, along with logic (critical thinking), epistemology, metaphysics, philosophy of science and technology, philosophy of religion, philosophy of law, history of philosophy, political philosophy, and so on. Since Peterson is a professor at an accredited university, I assume he has himself a degree or multiple degrees from other accredited universities, otherwise he would not have found employment at TX A&M.
Sorry this is so long, but I might also just mention that the list of topics which are universally agreed to fall within the purview of philosophy (ethics, epistemology, metaphysics, etc.) is due largely to two men in particular, who charted out the field in antiquity: Plato and Aristotle. Knocking Plato off the curriculum is rather like knocking Einstein off the physics curriculum.
@moonbus saidMy position is easily proven. Two sexes…gender is a mental construct.
I studied philosophy, both as an undergrad and as a postgrad. Yes, I think I know what happens in philosophy classes. The usual procedure is for the professor to assign readings on some topic, let's say Zeno's Paradoxes or gender identity, just to pick two out of a hat. There are well-known books and articles on both of these subjects, some ancient, some modern. The professor ...[text shortened]... otle. Knocking Plato off the curriculum is rather like knocking Einstein off the physics curriculum.
A man cannot become a woman, a woman cannot become a man. That is biologically a proven.
You libs misleading these young people is an atrocity!
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSo.... Ban Plato?
My position is easily proven. Two sexes…gender is a mental construct.
A man cannot become a woman, a woman cannot become a man. That is biologically a proven.
You libs misleading these young people is an atrocity!
@Mott-The-Hoople saidSo... ban Plato ?
My position is easily proven. Two sexes…gender is a mental construct.
A man cannot become a woman, a woman cannot become a man. That is biologically a proven.
You libs misleading these young people is an atrocity!
@Mott-The-Hoople saidIndoctrinating young people starts by keeping them ignorant and unacquainted with critical thinking. Banning books one doesn't agree with is calculated to keep young people ignorant and easy to manipulate.
What’s with the double posting under different userids?
Yes ban ALL this BS the indoctrinates young people.
You fuked your life up, leave theirs alone.