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@shavixmir saidOkay, Shav. You tell me which of the following states Russia believes are "due her"
No. The UK and France have their own nukes.
Russia won’t spread further West than the satellite States she already believves are due her (for the exact same reasons she knows the West won’t invade her a third time).
The US’s simplistic approach to politics doesn’t work on the European scale.
Ukraine
Belarus
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Serbia
Bosnia
Croatia
Solvenia
The other former Yugoslav countries
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Poland
East Germany
Why in the world would Putin not feel entitled to dominate the entire Warsaw Pact area? Does he thinking he's less worthy than Khrushchev and Brezhnev?
Russia will take whatever Putin believes is worth the capital he needs to spent on the conquest (military, political, prestige, whatever), not what he believes is due him. He undoubtedly thinks it's all due him.
@sh76 saidPutin is more of a Slavic pan nationalist than a Communist. Kiev is the sacred ancestral homeland of the Rus and Crimea is of enormous symbolic and strategic importance with respect to the Russian Orthodox Church and Constantinople.
Okay, Shav. You tell me which of the following states Russia believes are "due her"
Ukraine
Belarus
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Serbia
Bosnia
Croatia
Solvenia
The other former Yugoslav countries
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Poland
East Germany
Why in the world would Putin not feel entitled to dominate the entire Warsaw Pact area? ...[text shortened]... tical, prestige, whatever), not what he believes is due him. He undoubtedly thinks it's all due him.
BelaRUS is also considered to be part of the RUSsian homelands.
The Baltics are important for strategic reasons (Baltic Sea) but not culturally symbolic.
Serbia is considered to be part of the Russian "zone of Slavic protection".
East Germany has no significance to Russia. The other States vary with the size of their Slavic populations.
I think you give Putin too little credit for ideology. He's not just a strategy game player trying to grab all the land he can.
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@sh76 saidThat was 'The Soviet Union,' not Russia.
Okay, Shav. You tell me which of the following states Russia believes are "due her"
Ukraine
Belarus
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Serbia
Bosnia
Croatia
Solvenia
The other former Yugoslav countries
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Poland
East Germany
Why in the world would Putin not feel entitled to dominate the entire Warsaw Pact area? ...[text shortened]... tical, prestige, whatever), not what he believes is due him. He undoubtedly thinks it's all due him.
Some of those countries are history.
@sh76 saidBecause it’s not plausable. Not logistically, not politically.
Okay, Shav. You tell me which of the following states Russia believes are "due her"
Ukraine
Belarus
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Serbia
Bosnia
Croatia
Solvenia
The other former Yugoslav countries
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Poland
East Germany
Why in the world would Putin not feel entitled to dominate the entire Warsaw Pact area? ...[text shortened]... tical, prestige, whatever), not what he believes is due him. He undoubtedly thinks it's all due him.
Certainly EU countries aren’t on his list (although I’d gladly sell Poland and Hungary for a bottle of vodka).
The Northern countries aren’t worth the risk and escalation.
And nobody, even crazy people, want the former Yugoslavian countries.
So basically, that leaves you Belarus, Georgia and Ukraine
But Georgia has very close ties to the EU and Belarus sides with Russia anyways.
So… Ukraine. Half Russian.
You seem very focussed on Russian troop deployment. Yet NATO troop deployment in Poland and so, doesn’t seem to be on your list of concerns. Or the positioning of missiles and anti-missile batteries.
But, these things are on Russia’s mind.
Obviously you think of Uncle Sam as the good guy and NATO a force for good.
The Russians have another opinion about this.
Nothing to do with Putin, actually (although he is a lunatic). All to do with Russia’s history of being invaded by Western nations; claiming millions upon millions of Russian lives.
Let’s put it like this: Russia is a tad paranoid about Western intentions.
The best advice I can give is: Don’t poke the bear. Especially when there’s a schitzo-paranoid narcissist in charge.
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@shavixmir saidPuerto Rico?
The US is ramping up the war mongering PR.
And the pussy-whipped Netherlands and UK are following suite like little bitches.
I wonder what oil and gas deals are driving this little wart of a drama…
Shav, Puerto Ricans are
pretty peaceable .
"All sorts of other signs".
Anybody know what Boris is jibbering on about?
From the BBC:
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson says the "evidence is pretty clear" that Russia is planning an invasion of Ukraine.
On a visit to Scotland he says there are troops massing on the Ukrainian border and "all sorts of other signs that show that there are serious preparations" going on.
He says this is a "a very, very dangerous, difficult situation" but "there is still time for President (Vladimir) Putin to step back".
He is calling for more dialogue and urges Russia to avoid a "disastrous" invasion.
@vivify saidForget all that rhetoric. If no sanctions are imposed on Russia from the west Russia will not invade. If the US imposes sanctions using a ridiculously lame excuse they will invade.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-news-putin-retaliatory-military-technical-measures/President Vladimir Putin used some of his most direct language to date on Tuesday in his escalating standoff with the U.S. and its European allies. The Russian leader warned that if the U.S. and NATO do not halt what Moscow considers aggressive actions along the country's border with Ukraine, Russia would respond in a "retaliatory military" manner.
This is all about sanctions. Russia knows the US is itching to impose sanctions and will use any lame excuse they can to do it. That is what this is all about.
@metal-brain saidYou think?
Forget all that rhetoric. If no sanctions are imposed on Russia from the west Russia will not invade. If the US imposes sanctions using a ridiculously lame excuse they will invade.
This is all about sanctions. Russia knows the US is itching to impose sanctions and will use any lame excuse they can to do it. That is what this is all about.
I see the US and UK governments creating a massive problem (where there is only the slightest) that they can solve diplomatically, avoiding the war which was guaranteed to happen (hardly likely) and bolstering their polling by being so heroic (which they are not).
I can also see, but I must squint a little harder, the weapons industry losing money because the US pulled out of Afghanistan and they need to sell more guns.
When I remove my sunglasses, I think I notice that there’s a gas and oil problem and that getting Russia to fall into line will be better for prices.
What I don’t see is why sanctioning Russia would be a goal in itself.
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@shavixmir saidOh, the poor Russians! Never involved in any genocides themselves.
Obviously you think of Uncle Sam as the good guy and NATO a force for good.
The Russians have another opinion about this.
Nothing to do with Putin, actually (although he is a lunatic). All to do with Russia’s history of being invaded by Western nations; claiming millions upon millions of Russian lives.
Interesting to see you playing on Moscow's team, Shav.