@metal-brain saidNo one has actually abandoned it but why would Kiev comply with an accord which was written under severe duress in terms of the Russian threat that gives the breakaway Russian backed regions a veto on Ukrainian membership of NATO and effective veto on EU membership?
It was Kiev, and not Moscow, who abandoned the Minsk agreements.
@metal-brain saidYou mean the agreement made....in an area Russia *invaded*?
It was Kiev, and not Moscow, who abandoned the Minsk agreements.
@kevcvs57 saidKiev abandoned the Minsk agreements.
No one has actually abandoned it but why would Kiev comply with an accord which was written under severe duress in terms of the Russian threat that gives the breakaway Russian backed regions a veto on Ukrainian membership of NATO and effective veto on EU membership?
@vivify saidUkrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is desperate to stay in power and is afraid that a Maidan-style coup will oust him. To avoid such a situation, he abandoned the Minsk agreements to instead appease the Ukrainian military and its Far-Right militia allies by authorizing in February 2021 the mobilization of troops towards the frontier with Donbass – a fact ignored by Western leaders and commentators.
You mean the agreement made....in an area Russia *invaded*?
The mobilization of troops towards the frontier with Donbass is the real aggression. That started most of this.
@metal-brain saidStop lying and point to Ukraines official statement regarding its rejection and abandonment of this agreement made under duress.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is desperate to stay in power and is afraid that a Maidan-style coup will oust him. To avoid such a situation, he abandoned the Minsk agreements to instead appease the Ukrainian military and its Far-Right militia allies by authorizing in February 2021 the mobilization of troops towards the frontier with Donbass – a fact ignored by We ...[text shortened]... ation of troops towards the frontier with Donbass is the real aggression. That started most of this.
@kevcvs57 saidKiev abandoned the Minsk agreements. You claimed that didn't happen and now you have changed your story. You are the liar.
Stop lying and point to Ukraines official statement regarding its rejection and abandonment of this agreement made under duress.
What is your source of info? Stop making up crap to defend Ukraine.
@metal-brain saidNo I haven’t changed a thing. I’ve asked you to provide proof that Kiev has abandoned the Minsk agreements as opposed to not implementing them until Russia relinquishes it’s military and political control of the breakaway regions.
Kiev abandoned the Minsk agreements. You claimed that didn't happen and now you have changed your story. You are the liar.
What is your source of info? Stop making up crap to defend Ukraine.
Your lying about what other posters write again, be very careful
@metal-brain saidEverything you mentioned has no bearing on the fact that Russia used military force due to Ukraine wanting to join NATO. You attempts to excuse Russian aggression doesn't change that they are indeed the aggressor here.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is desperate to stay in power and is afraid that a Maidan-style coup will oust him. To avoid such a situation, he abandoned the Minsk agreements to instead appease the Ukrainian military and its Far-Right militia allies by authorizing in February 2021 the mobilization of troops towards the frontier with Donbass – a fact ignored by We ...[text shortened]... ation of troops towards the frontier with Donbass is the real aggression. That started most of this.
And again: Russia militarily occupies Ukraine.
@vivify said"And again: Russia militarily occupies Ukraine."
Everything you mentioned has no bearing on the fact that Russia used military force due to Ukraine wanting to join NATO. You attempts to excuse Russian aggression doesn't change that they are indeed the aggressor here.
And again: Russia militarily occupies Ukraine.
and no one over there cares...only the US . Why is the US so involved here? Even the Ukrainian president makes jokes about it?
Lets see, the US media helps build this up to a dire situation, then when russia backs off biden gets the credit.
I fell for it too
@mott-the-hoople saidhttps://nypost.com/2022/01/20/volodymyr-zelensky-blasts-joe-biden-over-minor-incursion-comment/
Why is the US so involved here? Even the Ukrainian president makes jokes about it?
Lets see, the US media helps build this up to a dire situation, then when russia backs off biden gets the credit.
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky blasts Biden over ‘minor incursion’ comment
Horrified Ukrainian officials told news outlets that Russian President Vladimir Putin may see it as a “green light” to invade.
The Ukrainian President does in fact see the threat of Russia as a "dire situation". Why does he makes jokes about it? Because he was a comedian prior to becoming president.
@mott-the-hoople saidStop lying and stop being stupid of course people care about an expansionist Russia. It obvious the right no longer cares because you’ve got the message from the whore Trump that Russia is good for him and therefor good for the US.
"And again: Russia militarily occupies Ukraine."
and no one over there cares...only the US . Why is the US so involved here? Even the Ukrainian president makes jokes about it?
Lets see, the US media helps build this up to a dire situation, then when russia backs off biden gets the credit.
I fell for it too
You really are the lowest form of pond life, but I’m glad this thing with Russia has forced you 5th columnists to break cover.
Lovely framing you're doing there.
"The expansionist" Russia.
As if financial expansion isn't just as bad. And in that respect (do what the US wants or we'll target you), the West is much worse.
Just thinking of Afghanistan... Iraq... Libya... regime changes in God knows how many bloody countries... sanctions on nations as small as Cuba for over 40 years...
Yeah. Cosy, cosy good guys.
I think it's you being completely naieve to what's going on over there.
Russia has two issues: Ukraine not in NATO, and get NATO away from their doorstep.
And considering the US's behaviour in the last 60 years all over the planet, their expansionist drift and their constant exercises... can you blame Russia?
And no. I don't trust Putin any more than I could throw him.
But, don't think for a bloody second that Biden, Boris or any of these capitalist cronies have anything positive to add to the world or Ukraine at all.
They are not in it for the civilians.
A three part article on Russia/Ukraine for anyone interested. Not really partisan just an interesting perspective from someone who grew up in Russia and still has contacts there:
https://www.advisorperspectives.com/articles/2022/03/02/war-in-ukraine-why-i-was-blindsided-part-1
https://www.advisorperspectives.com/articles/2022/03/04/war-in-ukraine-part-2-the-new-world
https://www.advisorperspectives.com/articles/2022/03/21/war-in-ukraine-part-3-the-future-of-russia