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Query, 4th amendment vs. FBI

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Marauder, you have a penchant for citing the Constitution. You may have missed your ConLaW class lecture Oct 3,1998 where the 4th was explained.
The warrant itself is very general. Unfocused. It authorizes the seizure of about every piece of paper there. The 4th says that you have to describe the particulars... the place, the person, the things to be seized.... the specifics,,,,this was not specific. I think that James Madison must be rolling in his grave, do you not get the gravity of this?
Seized? Will the IRS seize? Did you hear about the cell phone of GOP Rep Scott Perry? he was stepping off a plane with his family and the FBI seized his cell phone. Comey abused classified Information, for god sake. Jesus. NO accountability.
Intimidation, Coercion......People who erase 30,000 emails have something to hide, but apparently Scott did not. When you gonna a get it.
This is a mess and you know it. Put on your lawyer cap!!!!

While I have you, I will list 'Biden's China Policy" next. Do you know that fentanyl is poison? Biden is lollin' on the beach! Jesus. All of you are pitiful, you just don't give a damn.

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NBiden's China Policy:
Fails to confront Xii on fentanyl trafficking
Family reportedly accepted $30M from deals in china
Fails to demand covid origins investigation
CANCELLED the China Inititative
Considering lifting Tariffs on Chinese Imports!!! Uhh, does China have something on your Biden?
Sending China oil from from America's strategic reserve .
Pushing electric vehicles, solar panels, and batteries , all made in China. Oh, and they want our strapped middle class to buy the EVs!!!!!!
So, ALL of this looks good, is acceptable, to you? You cool with this? Are you dude with this?

Marx would not be happy. I think you must be wetting your bed.

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@averagejoe1 said
NBiden's China Policy:
Fails to confront Xii on fentanyl trafficking
Family reportedly accepted $30M from deals in china
Fails to demand covid origins investigation
CANCELLED the China Inititative
Considering lifting Tariffs on Chinese Imports!!! Uhh, does China have something on your Biden?
Sending China oil from from America's strategic reserve .
Pushing electri ...[text shortened]... s? Are you dude with this?

Marx would not be happy. I think you must be wetting your bed.
Communist china OWNS biden...think about that for a little while...

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@averagejoe1 said
Marauder, you have a penchant for citing the Constitution.
So do Republicans (who used to be conservatives, but who have turned into mostly spineless cult-of-personality supporters of a shameless autocratic liar like Trump).

And the very same Republicans who just a year or two ago correctly tried to shame the progressive Dems for their calls to defund the police, are now calling for a defunding of the FBI -- one of the most straight-arrow institutions we have in America.

Do you know or have you even met any FBI agents?

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@mott-the-hoople said
Communist china OWNS biden...think about that for a little while...
Why? It's clear that Albania owns you.

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@averagejoe1 said
NBiden's China Policy:
Fails to confront Xii on fentanyl trafficking
Family reportedly accepted $30M from deals in china
Fails to demand covid origins investigation
CANCELLED the China Inititative
Considering lifting Tariffs on Chinese Imports!!! Uhh, does China have something on your Biden?
Sending China oil from from America's strategic reserve .
Pushing electri ...[text shortened]... s? Are you dude with this?

Marx would not be happy. I think you must be wetting your bed.
It's interesting you haven't mentioned China's One Belt, One Road policy -- which clearly indicates that you are trying to deflect attention from that with your little dragon parade of other issues, and therefore must be a soft-power agent of President Xi. 😉

Strange to think that the McCarthy Era was only about 70 years ago. Hoping you don't get caught up in any false accusations in these crazy times we seem to be fermenting.

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@kevin-eleven said
So do Republicans (who used to be conservatives, but who have turned into mostly spineless cult-of-personality supporters of a shameless autocratic liar like Trump).

And the very same Republicans who just a year or two ago correctly tried to shame the progressive Dems for their calls to defund the police, are now calling for a defunding of the FBI -- one of the most straight-arrow institutions we have in America.

Do you know or have you even met any FBI agents?
K says here that the FBI did everything right and for the right reasons when raiding the house, arms drawn, at night. Guess we have to see is K is right. He, lilke most libs, just decides that he is right.
Could be wrong. FBI may have a bit of corruption.

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So Trump and family getting two BILLION from the Saudi's is more palatable than anything Biden gets? And BTW, PROVE he got a penny.
I'd LOVE to see that.

We KNOW the Trump family got TWO BILLION or more from the Saudi's as payback for not pushing the Khashoggi murder and other issues, it was payback pure and simple, called CORRUPTION big time.

But no big deal BECAUSE THEY ARE REPUBS.

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@averagejoe1 said
K says here that the FBI did everything right and for the right reasons when raiding the house, arms drawn, at night. Guess we have to see is K is right. He, lilke most libs, just decides that he is right.
Could be wrong. FBI may have a bit of corruption.
It's clear you must have more than ROT13 going on in your reality decoder. 😉

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He is a willing part of the new anti America as a democracy movement started by his god king Trump.

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@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
So Trump and family getting two BILLION from the Saudi's is more palatable than anything Biden gets? And BTW, PROVE he got a penny.
I'd LOVE to see that.

We KNOW the Trump family got TWO BILLION or more from the Saudi's as payback for not pushing the Khashoggi murder and other issues, it was payback pure and simple, called CORRUPTION big time.

But no big deal BECAUSE THEY ARE REPUBS.
You writing to me? I was writing about the corrupt FBI. Your post, again, makes no sense.

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@sonhouse said:
We KNOW the Trump family got TWO BILLION or more from the Saudi's as payback for not pushing the Khashoggi murder
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We DO????
I think you are bullshipping again.

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@averagejoe1 said
NBiden's China Policy:
Fails to confront Xii on fentanyl trafficking
Family reportedly accepted $30M from deals in china
Fails to demand covid origins investigation
CANCELLED the China Inititative
Considering lifting Tariffs on Chinese Imports!!! Uhh, does China have something on your Biden?
Sending China oil from from America's strategic reserve .
Pushing electri ...[text shortened]... s? Are you dude with this?

Marx would not be happy. I think you must be wetting your bed.
I'm wondering what Trump has was intended for.
We've heard some information on America's nuclear program.
Some stuff on the French President Macron.
This stuff came out briefly Friday. And then held back since. Could be false. Or could be true but under orders to hold back on. More likely the latter.
But what was Trump doing with this stuff ? What purpose ?
Some of this stuff ending in Putin's hands is not something we want to entertain.
And Putin has something on Trump. The debacle in Helsinki by itself is enough of an eyebrow raiser.

Trump is being investigated under the Espionage Act !!
That is enough to stop the talk about dotting the "i"'s and crossing the "t"s !!
He could go down for any number of reasons. This one could be 10 years in prison.
Whether God sent Trump to America or not.

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@averagejoe1 said
Marauder, you have a penchant for citing the Constitution. You may have missed your ConLaW class lecture Oct 3,1998 where the 4th was explained.
The warrant itself is very general. Unfocused. It authorizes the seizure of about every piece of paper there. The 4th says that you have to describe the particulars... the place, the person, the things to be seized.... t ...[text shortened]... poison? Biden is lollin' on the beach! Jesus. All of you are pitiful, you just don't give a damn.
Joe - Please read this very slowly - multiple times:

Regardless of whether these records were top secret or rolls of toilet paper, they are US Government property, and private citizens (even ex-Presidents) cannot simply take them to their home.

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@mchill said
Joe - Please read this very slowly - multiple times:

Regardless of whether these records were top secret or rolls of toilet paper, they are US Government property, and private citizens (even ex-Presidents) cannot simply take them to their home.
I see what you are saying, but I am hearing a lot diff points of view from some smart people , guess we all have to wait. I mean, did he not have the power to declassify the stuff? I missed that day in school, looks like the SCOTUS is going to be back in the news again!!!!

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