@averagejoe1 saidThe "raid" happened at 9 am which isn't "at night".
K says here that the FBI did everything right and for the right reasons when raiding the house, arms drawn, at night. Guess we have to see is K is right. He, lilke most libs, just decides that he is right.
Could be wrong. FBI may have a bit of corruption.
@averagejoe1 saidLet me guess; even though the warrant has been available for viewing since Friday afternoon, you never bothered to read it instead relying on some right wing propaganda site to describe its contents. It reads in pertinent part:
Marauder, you have a penchant for citing the Constitution. You may have missed your ConLaW class lecture Oct 3,1998 where the 4th was explained.
The warrant itself is very general. Unfocused. It authorizes the seizure of about every piece of paper there. The 4th says that you have to describe the particulars... the place, the person, the things to be seized.... t ...[text shortened]... poison? Biden is lollin' on the beach! Jesus. All of you are pitiful, you just don't give a damn.
" ATTACHMENT B
Property to be seized
All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071, or 1519, including the following
a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;
b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20.2017, and January 20, 2021; or
d. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification markings."
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117277865/read-the-full-warrant-documents-from-fbi-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-home
Still think that applies to "every piece of paper there"?
Still think it's not "specific" enough?
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@averagejoe1 saidJoe - You're wandering off the subject: Forget about declassification for now, let's try this again: Please read the words below multiple times:
I see what you are saying, but I am hearing a lot diff points of view from some smart people , guess we all have to wait. I mean, did he not have the power to declassify the stuff? I missed that day in school, looks like the SCOTUS is going to be back in the news again!!!!
Regardless of whether these records were top secret or rolls of toilet paper, they are US Government property, and private citizens (even ex-Presidents) cannot simply take them to their home.
Got it now?
@averagejoe1 saidThere is no corruption regarding the FBI search of mar a largo just the most corrupt POTUS in the history of the US happens to live there.
You writing to me? I was writing about the corrupt FBI. Your post, again, makes no sense.
Who has trump been selling those nuclear secrets to, that’s the real question here.
@no1marauder saidNot being as glued as you fellers day in and day out, all I see is dark night videos of drones. .....I thought, dang, why night!!?!? And, went out to do my chores. Need to stay put in my easy chair. I bet you and Sonhouse know every detail!
The "raid" happened at 9 am which isn't "at night".
@no1marauder saidI would have to say it was general and boilerplate-ish. We disagree. It is simply not specific, it is way off from specific.
Let me guess; even though the warrant has been available for viewing since Friday afternoon, you never bothered to read it instead relying on some right wing propaganda site to describe its contents. It reads in pertinent part:
" ATTACHMENT B
Property to be seized
All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other it ...[text shortened]... Still think that applies to "every piece of paper there"?
Still think it's not "specific" enough?
@mchill saidI won't do whataboutisms about Clintons, but I have heard quite a few experts on Breitbart who would disagree with you. We can all look again, I guess. All I know is what is reported by new agencies, I have heard no one say that you 'cant take anything'. So where is the line drawn? Yessir, SCOTUS is going to be spending a lot of our tax money sorting that one.
Joe - You're wandering off the subject: Forget about declassification for now, let's try this again: Please read the words below multiple times:
Regardless of whether these records were top secret or rolls of toilet paper, they are US Government property, and private citizens (even ex-Presidents) cannot simply take them to their home.
Got it now?
@mghrn55 saiduhhh…putin has had nuclear weapons for quite sometime now 😂😂😂
I'm wondering what Trump has was intended for.
We've heard some information on America's nuclear program.
Some stuff on the French President Macron.
This stuff came out briefly Friday. And then held back since. Could be false. Or could be true but under orders to hold back on. More likely the latter.
But what was Trump doing with this stuff ? What purpose ?
Some of ...[text shortened]... number of reasons. This one could be 10 years in prison.
Whether God sent Trump to America or not.
@mott-the-hoople saidThe Saudis, who Trump had a business relationship with for years and are currently funding his golf course, don't.
uhhh…putin has had nuclear weapons for quite sometime now 😂😂😂
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@averagejoe1 saidA judge found 'Probable Cause,'
Marauder, you have a penchant for citing the Constitution. You may have missed your ConLaW class lecture Oct 3,1998 where the 4th was explained.
The warrant itself is very general. Unfocused. It authorizes the seizure of about every piece of paper there. The 4th says that you have to describe the particulars... the place, the person, the things to be seized.... t ...[text shortened]... poison? Biden is lollin' on the beach! Jesus. All of you are pitiful, you just don't give a damn.
that a crime was committed,
and signed a search warrant.
Whereas a search warrant isn't all inclusive,
anything, 'in plain sight,' is fair game.
By your reasoning, were a dead body found,
it must be excluded from, 'lawfully seized evidence.'
Naw, don't work quite that way my erudite friend.
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@averagejoe1 saidONE THING IS A LOCK-UP, CINCH
Marauder, you have a penchant for citing the Constitution. You may have missed your ConLaW class lecture Oct 3,1998 where the 4th was explained.
The warrant itself is very general. Unfocused. It authorizes the seizure of about every piece of paper there. The 4th says that you have to describe the particulars... the place, the person, the things to be seized.... t ...[text shortened]... poison? Biden is lollin' on the beach! Jesus. All of you are pitiful, you just don't give a damn.
Trump will cry, ''Boo-hoo, another witch hunt,
help me with my defense fund.''
And The MAGA suckers will send him $ Millions.
BTY, The RNC is picking up the tab for #45's legal fees.
@Earl-of-Trumps
If you actually read anything not named Fox or BretFART or newsmax read this:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia
@mott-the-hoople saidStupid post !! I won't even bother explaining it to you.
uhhh…putin has had nuclear weapons for quite sometime now 😂😂😂
@averagejoe1 said"Boilerplate-ish"? Somehow I doubt the average prosecutor's office has this in their PCs as a template for a search warrant:
I would have to say it was general and boilerplate-ish. We disagree. It is simply not specific, it is way off from specific.
"a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;
b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20.2017, and January 20, 2021; or
d. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification markings."
@no1marauder
The ultrarightwingnuts here and around the US will weaponize it anyway.
And repubs response: Biden's pullout from Afghan sucks.
That tells a lot right there..