Originally posted by generalissimo As quaint and amusingly surreal as your narrative may be I think it is preferrable to consider the Greek question with at least some inclination to be mindful of its actual historical and political context.
It was the democratically-elected government of Greece that has been scrounging EU funds for all this time, it was with the consent of the Gree ...[text shortened]... e and stubborness. Perhaps its time for a reevalutation of the country's membership of the EU.
You can go on and on about this or that particular within the current world financial system and it will not make one iota of difference. That system is an unsustainable train wreck that no amount of tinkering can salvage. Greece will not benefit by surrendering its sovereignty and bowing to the dictates of the bankers. The only ones who ever benefit are the bankers and financial speculators who are responsible for setting up this pattern of ever-recurring crises in the first place. It's windfall profits for speculators and never ending austerity for the other 99% of humanity. If Greece doesn't destroy the rotting system, then something else eventually will. It cannot continue in this fashion indefinitely. The people will only take so much.
Originally posted by rwingett You can go on and on about this or that particular within the current world financial system and it will not make one iota of difference. That system is an unsustainable train wreck that no amount of tinkering can salvage. Greece will not benefit by surrendering its sovereignty and bowing to the dictates of the bankers. The only ones who ever benefit are th ...[text shortened]... ally will. It cannot continue in this fashion indefinitely. The people will only take so much.
You could argue that an alcoholic/ drug user who refuses intervention has exercised his own freedom too. Greece has one last chance to bailed out from its foolish policies. Continuing on its same path certainly is not sustainable.
Actually i think the perception in Europe is that the whole thing was started by the
American financial institutions and the sub prime mortgage fiasco. Money was
cheap, banks were falling over themselves to lend you money at ridiculously low
rates of interest. Mortgages requests were being procured on a self certified
basis, you could hardly buy a coal bunker in London for less than 150,000 pounds,
and now the bubble has burst, future generations shall be paying a heavy indemnity
for something which was none of their doing.
I am self employed, have been for years, if i get ill, or cannot pay my mortgage,
who is going to bail me out? who is going to give me a bonus? yet simply because
i am of little account , if that happens I must forfeit my property, pick up my bags
and eke a meagre living out on the street. where is the justice, the sense of
accountability? Its one thing to talk about freedom, quite another to to ask the
irresponsible to safeguard your well being.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie Actually i think the perception in Europe is that the whole thing was started by the
American financial institutions and the sub prime mortgage fiasco. Money was
cheap, banks were falling over themselves to lend you money at ridiculously low
rates of interest. Mortgages requests were being procured on a self certified
basis, you could hardly ...[text shortened]... to talk about freedom, quite another to to ask the
irresponsible to safeguard your well being.
I'm not for bailing out anyone either but really that's not the issue. The issue is whether Greece wants to meet conditions to get an infusion of cash.
Originally posted by quackquack You could argue that an alcoholic/ drug user who refuses intervention has exercised his own freedom too. Greece has one last chance to bailed out from its foolish policies. Continuing on its same path certainly is not sustainable.
No, that's just silly. Bankers are to blame for everything from the common cold to the recent financial crises. The only answer is to destroy the present world financial system and watch it burn in flames. Then, like a phoenix from the flames, humanity will rise anew from the ashes of the old. It'll be a land where all the cops have wooden legs, the bulldogs all have rubber teeth, the hens lay soft-boiled eggs, the farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay.
Originally posted by rwingett No, that's just silly. Bankers are to blame for everything from the common cold to the recent financial crises. The only answer is to destroy the present world financial system and watch it burn in flames. Then, like a phoenix from the flames, humanity will rise anew from the ashes of the old. It'll be a land where all the cops have wooden legs, the bulldog ...[text shortened]... ens lay soft-boiled eggs, the farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay.
It's funny how true the first part of your rant is and how rubbish the second.
Originally posted by Sleepyguy But it captures the OWS plan so perfectly.
1. Burn it all down
2. ?
3. Utopia
America's celebrated struggle began with the signing of the Declaration of Independence, but it seems people know very little about what actually happened to the fifty-six men, that signed this document. How they had not only brought chaos and ruin on the American people, they suffered a variety of ignominious fates that they had brought upon themselves, with many of them later turning upon each other.
Originally posted by no1marauder America's celebrated struggle began with the signing of the Declaration of Independence, but it seems people know very little about what actually happened to the fifty-six men, that signed this document. How they had not only brought chaos and ruin on the American people, they suffered a variety of ignominious fates that they had brought upon themselves, with many of them later turning upon each other.
http://www.redcoat.me.uk/Rev-War.htm
What a poorly written piece that link was with some howlers like the following:
Some historians say as many as 250,000 Loyalists emigrated, relocating in Canada, the West Indies and Britain, making it one of the largest mass migrations in history.
Referendum in Greece on Bailout
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