Everyone is in the confusing weeds on Not Charging Biden.
Joe Biden was not cleared of wrongdoing. The special counsel clearly found that he broke the law, repeatedly and willfully and knowingly. Multiple felonies, including the espionage act, he met every element of those crimes. The special counsel pulled a Jim Comey, he essentially said, just as Jim Comey did with Hillary Clinton, that, even though Biden committed every element of the crimes that he set forth, that he was not going to recommend charges for Joe Biden.
One reason that was given was because Joe Biden cooperated. Cooperation is not a defense under the law. If a bank robber gives the money back in cooperation, that is not a defense for his theft. It can only be used by a judge in sentencing. The other reason not to charge is the 'non compos mentis' defense, that he is mentally infirm, but that creates the problem of running a country.
Special Counsel Hur has evidence that Biden willfully retained claissified documents, but you fellas the media have got your hooks into Hur. Pitiful.
So, those are the facts, what in the hell are y'all talking about in all these posts? You love to talk about the past a lot, someone mentioned Hillary Clinton just yesterday, I sped past it, I am busy. All these posts about who and when had what documents where is a waste of our time, Hur has ruled the facts, and, is letting the culprit go.....to run the greatest country in the world. Everyone, wake up.
@averagejoe1 saidNo, those are lies. Hur said exactly the opposite:
Everyone is in the confusing weeds on Not Charging Biden.
Joe Biden was not cleared of wrongdoing. The special counsel clearly found that he broke the law, repeatedly and willfully and knowingly. Multiple felonies, including the espionage act, he met every element of those crimes. The special counsel pulled a Jim Comey, he essentially said, just as Jim Comey did with Hil ...[text shortened]... s, and, is letting the culprit go.....to run the greatest country in the world. Everyone, wake up.
"However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence
does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. "
p. 1
"Nevertheless, we do not believe this evidence is sufficient, as jurors would
likely find reasonable doubt for one or more of several reasons. "
p. 4
"In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations
for the documents that we cannot refute."
"We conclude the evidence is not sufficient to convict, and we decline to
recommend prosecution of Mr. Biden for his retention of the classified Afghanistan
documents. "
p. 6
"We do not, however, believe this evidence would meet the government's burden
at trial-particularly the requirement to prove that Mr. Biden intended to do
something the law forbids."
p. 8
Etc. etc. etc.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf
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@no1marauder saidWow. Marauder is saying that Biden did nothing,,,,nothing,,,wrong. The jury will now repair to the jury room and not come out until you reach your verdict.
No, those are lies. Hur said exactly the opposite:
"However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence
does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. "
p. 1
"Nevertheless, we do not believe this evidence is sufficient, as jurors would
likely find reasonable doubt for one or more of several reasons. "
p. 4
"In addit ...[text shortened]... . etc.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf
@averagejoe1 saidjoe is debating legal points with a lawyer. Guess who won that one? 😏
Wow. Marauder is saying that Biden did nothing,,,,nothing,,,wrong. The jury will now repair to the jury room and not come out until you reach your verdict.
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@no1marauder saidIt is up to a jury to say it's beyond a reasonable doubt, we know documents were taken, in his garage.
No, those are lies. Hur said exactly the opposite:
"However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence
does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. "
p. 1
"Nevertheless, we do not believe this evidence is sufficient, as jurors would
likely find reasonable doubt for one or more of several reasons. "
p. 4
"In addit ...[text shortened]... . etc.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf
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@kellyjay saidNo, it's up to the prosecutor in the first instance to determine whether he thinks a jury would find a defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence.
It is up to a jury to say it's beyond a reasonable doubt, we know documents were taken, in his garage.
The mere taking of the documents doesn't establish all the elements of the crime here.
You should actually read at least the Executive Summary since you seem to be confused about the law and legal principles involved.
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@AverageJoe1
While you give a bye to the FACT JACK that your god Trump willfully refused to give back his HUNDREDS of docs, in his bedroom, in the basement, in a storage unit, fighting until it was proven a search warrant was needed to get that assshole to comply.
Not even CLOSE to what Biden did, a small amount forgotten till it was brought up and turned it over without them needing a warrant. And OF COURSE since your god IS Trump, NOW the 'crimes' are equal.
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@sonhouse saidSH knows more than the people who study this 24/7 do. Let us see who knows the scoop.
@AverageJoe1
While you give a bye to the FACT JACK that your god Trump willfully refused to give back his HUNDREDS of docs, in his bedroom, in the basement, in a storage unit, fighting until it was proven a search warrant was needed to get that assshole to comply.
Not even CLOSE to what Biden did, a small amount forgotten till it was brought up and turned it over without them needing a warrant. And OF COURSE since your god IS Trump, NOW the 'crimes' are equal.
@no1marauder saidBut we know how this works with Kangaroo courts, right:
No, those are lies. Hur said exactly the opposite:
"However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence
does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. "
p. 1
"Nevertheless, we do not believe this evidence is sufficient, as jurors would
likely find reasonable doubt for one or more of several reasons. "
p. 4
"In addit ...[text shortened]... . etc.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf
Trump has to absolutely be proven innocent for him to ever be considered innocent; he can even be removed from ballots based on the fact that a biased Congress made a declaration that a riot was an insurrection. We can even upgrade things he didn't do to felonies, and we can declare him guilty of slander for continuing to deny the crazy accusations of a mentally unwell elderly woman...
And, for the Bidens, the burden of proof skyrockets, with zero speculation allowed for anything, and there can only be an investigation after the whole country is demanding one...
And, of course, it is carried out by the same DOJ that has been manned & staffed by the Deep State since at least the time of Nixon.
Marauder isa former participant in the American kanga-courts, though - guy was probably springing up & down on his tail while he wrote this post.
Poopoo reply incoming!
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@philokalia saidRight wing bleating like this is always expected; rather than actually looking at the facts and the law, they inevitably fall back to whiny conspiracy theory.
But we know how this works with Kangaroo courts, right:
Trump has to absolutely be proven innocent for him to ever be considered innocent; he can even be removed from ballots based on the fact that a biased Congress made a declaration that a riot was an insurrection. We can even upgrade things he didn't do to felonies, and we can declare him guilty of slander fo ...[text shortened]... uy was probably springing up & down on his tail while he wrote this post.
Poopoo reply incoming!
The author of the Report was appointed to a Federal Judge position by Trump, resigned that post weeks after Biden's inauguration and is a member of the right wing Federalist Society. Strange he would be sooooooooo willing to be a part of the George Soros world domination conspiracy.
@philokalia saidMethinks he brandishes his 'lawyer- I-am' a bit too much, wouldn't you say? Probably knows a paralegal, access to LEXIS-NEXIS, may actually be a paralegal, or a bot. A life of links! Latter-day Marx! Def not a patriot. And cannot understand the illegality of Bidens taking of docs. Illegal for a VP. For instance, a lawyer would know this: The 'cooperation' of the accused is not a defense, Philokalia. That would mean a bank robber can give back the money and be absolved of the crime. A lawyer would know that. So I hereby present (Source CBS News) the 'Main Reason' that Biden was treated differently than Trump. The MAIN reason!!
But we know how this works with Kangaroo courts, right:
Trump has to absolutely be proven innocent for him to ever be considered innocent; he can even be removed from ballots based on the fact that a biased Congress made a declaration that a riot was an insurrection. We can even upgrade things he didn't do to felonies, and we can declare him guilty of slander fo ...[text shortened]... uy was probably springing up & down on his tail while he wrote this post.
Poopoo reply incoming!
""It was that cooperation, combined with how the investigation began and the evidence of his knowledge and intent, that set the cases apart, according to Hur"".
Both of them had 'knowledge and intent', so the only diff was that biden cooperated more than did Trump. That is not a defense. Ball in Bot's court.
@averagejoe1 saidJoe said - One reason that was given was because Joe Biden cooperated.
Everyone is in the confusing weeds on Not Charging Biden.
Joe Biden was not cleared of wrongdoing. The special counsel clearly found that he broke the law, repeatedly and willfully and knowingly. Multiple felonies, including the espionage act, he met every element of those crimes. The special counsel pulled a Jim Comey, he essentially said, just as Jim Comey did with Hil ...[text shortened]... s, and, is letting the culprit go.....to run the greatest country in the world. Everyone, wake up.
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Good guess but I don't think so, Uncle Joe.
Hillary certainly did not cooperate with the FBI. Comey told the American public that Hillary lied to the FBI.
She also deleted files that the FBI demanded, etc etc.
Biden will be relieved of all charges for one reason and one reason only - dEmOcRAt
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@earl-of-trumps saidComey found no such things:
Joe said - One reason that was given was because Joe Biden cooperated.
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Good guess but I don't think so, Uncle Joe.
Hillary certainly did not cooperate with the FBI. Comey told the American public that Hillary lied to the FBI.
She also deleted files that the FBI demanded, etc etc.
Biden will be relieved of all charges for one reason and one reason only - dEmOcRAt
"I should add here that we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them."
"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here."
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
@no1marauder saidCheck out Marauder forever carrying water for people right Down to Hillary Clinton. He actually defends this maniacal maniac. He even defends....oh, never mind......
Comey found no such things:
"I should add here that we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them."
"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the case ...[text shortened]... james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
I didn't read the link, trying to download the Black National Anthem (Marauder, that has racism and culture All Over It!) but did it mention that Hillary destroyed govt property, obstructed justice, destroyed evidence which was under subpoena?
While I have you, do you know that Biden is using a Chinese spy app even though he signed a law banning it on all federal devices? Didn't think so. And you wont respond to this..