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    Among the highlights:
    -Pornography is a public menace and destroys millions of americans (22000 people killed by gun violence but porn is the priority)
    -The bible should be taught in school because it is essential to being a good citizen
    (but not the Bhagavad Gita or Q'uran or whatever) Also, it is essential that a good citizen understands the proper way to kill
    -Gay couples should be prevented from adopting children because children raised by gays are likely to become drug addicted or otherwise damaged
    -A nod to gay conversion therapy (a practice that is as barbaric as lobotomy, that ruins young teens and often leaves them suicidal) by stating that parents should be free to make medical decisions for their children (which might also lead to parents refusing to vaccinate, allow blood transfusions or allow parents to use homeopathy to "treat" their children)


    This is something that screams medieval. It is something that a theocracy would strive for.
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    14 Jul '16 12:41
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvx40NPQYQw

    Among the highlights:
    -Pornography is a public menace and destroys millions of americans (22000 people killed by gun violence but porn is the priority)
    -The bible should be taught in school because it is essential to being a good citizen
    (but not the Bhagavad Gita or Q'uran or whatever) Also, it is essential ...[text shortened]...


    This is something that screams medieval. It is something that a theocracy would strive for.
    Yes. Compare this pile of parrot droppings to the DNC platform which was just completed a week ago, with plenty of help from Bernie Sanders.

    There quite literally is no comparison.

    http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/dnc_platform.pdf
  3. Standard membersh76
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    14 Jul '16 12:551 edit
    I only watched the first minute and a half. Typical idiotic YT "analysis" (and I use that term extremely loosely).

    The only direct quote from the platform document that spurred that idiot's demand that the Republicans "move to Iran or the Vatican" was the quote "man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights."

    Not only is that statement essentially merely an echo of the Declaration of Independence and of one of the central Lockean principles on which the US' entire system was built, it's a statement that should be at the core belief system of any good liberal (excepting the use of the word "God," of course). Whether you think that natural rights come from God or from human nature doesn't change the fact that law should be consistent with natural rights. To expand that quote into some sort demand that the state establish a religion is beyond the pale, even for that nit-wit.


    Edit: I don't see the new document, if it's available, but the current platform uses God or religion only in the following statements:

    https://www.gop.com/platform/we-the-people/

    "We are the party of the Constitution, the solemn compact which confirms our God-given individual rights and assures that all Americans stand equal before the law. "

    "In a free society, the primary role of government is to protect the God-given, inalienable, inherent rights of its citizens, including the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

    "We condemn decisions by activist judges to deny children the opportunity to say the Pledge of Allegiance in its entirety, including “Under God,” in public schools and encourage States to promote the pledge."

    "We acknowledge, support, and defend the law-abiding citizen’s God-given right of self-defense."

    "In the spirit of the Constitution, we consider discrimination based on sex, race, age, religion, creed, disability, or national origin unacceptable and immoral. We will strongly enforce anti-discrimination statutes and ask all to join us in rejecting the forces of hatred and bigotry and in denouncing all who practice or promote racism, anti-Semitism, ethnic prejudice, or religious intolerance."

    "The Republican Party includes Americans from every faith and tradition, and our policies and positions respect the right of every American to follow his or her beliefs and underscore our reverence for the religious freedom envisioned by the Founding Fathers of our nation and of our party."

    "The First Amendment: The Foresight of Our Founders to Protect Religious Freedom

    The first provision of the First Amendment concerns freedom of religion. That guarantee reflected Thomas Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, which declared that no one should “suffer on account of his religious opinion or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion….” That assurance has never been more needed than it is today, as liberal elites try to drive religious beliefs – and religious believers – out of the public square. The Founders of the American Republic universally agree that democracy presupposes a moral people and that, in the words of George Washington’s Farewell Address, “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.”

    The most offensive instance of this war on religion has been the current Administration’s attempt to compel faith-related institutions, as well as believing individuals, to contravene their deeply held religious, moral, or ethical beliefs regarding health services, traditional marriage, or abortion. This forcible secularization of religious and religiously affiliated organizations, including faith-based hospitals and colleges, has been in tandem with the current Administration’s audacity in declaring which faith-related activities are, or are not, protected by the First Amendment – an unprecedented aggression repudiated by a unanimous Supreme Court in its Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC decision. We pledge to respect the religious beliefs and rights of conscience of all Americans and to safeguard the independence of their institutions from government. We support the public display of the Ten Commandments as a reflection of our history and of our country’s Judeo-Christian heritage, and we affirm the right of students to engage in prayer at public school events in public schools and to have equal access to public schools and other public facilities to accommodate religious freedom in the public square. We assert every citizen’s right to apply religious values to public policy and the right of faith-based organizations to participate fully in public programs without renouncing their beliefs, removing religious symbols, or submitting to government-imposed hiring practices. We oppose government discrimination against businesses due to religious views. We support the First Amendment right of freedom of association of the Boy Scouts of America and other service organizations whose values are under assault and condemn the State blacklisting of religious groups which decline to arrange adoptions by same-sex couples. We condemn the hate campaigns, threats of violence, and vandalism by proponents of same-sex marriage against advocates of traditional marriage and call for a federal investigation into attempts to deny religious believers their civil rights."


    I don't see any demand that we establish a state religion.
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    14 Jul '16 13:17
    Originally posted by sh76
    I only watched the first minute and a half. Typical idiotic YT "analysis" (and I use that term extremely loosely).

    The only direct quote from the platform document that spurred that idiot's demand that the Republicans "move to Iran or the Vatican" was the quote "man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights."

    Not only is that statement es ...[text shortened]... some sort demand that the state establish a religion is beyond the pale, even for that nit-wit.
    "Typical idiotic YT"
    how about "typical idiotic nytimes"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/republican-convention-issues.html?_r=0
    "The platform demands that lawmakers use religion as a guide when legislating, stipulating “that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights.”"
    It also encourages the teaching of the Bible in public schools because, the amendment said, a good understanding of its contents is “indispensable for the development of an educated citizenry.”
    The platform calls for overturning the Supreme Court marriage decision with a constitutional amendment and makes references to appointing judges “who respect traditional family values.”

    i was going to quote more, but then i realized it's practically word for word what TYT quoted.



    "that idiot's demand that the Republicans "move to Iran or the Vatican" was the quote "man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights.""
    that's not what spurred that "demand". that's the least offensive thing in the Republican platform.
    the other reasons are plentiful. appoint judges who "respect traditional family values". overturn the supreme court ruling on gay marriage. teach the bible in schools. support gay conversion therapy. stating that children raised by gay couples are more prone to become drug addicted or otherwise damaged.

    It's revealing that you chose to focus on the least offensive aspect in the entire piece. The other issues are too difficult to argue? Almost indefensible?
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    14 Jul '16 13:20
    Originally posted by sh76
    I only watched the first minute and a half. Typical idiotic YT "analysis" (and I use that term extremely loosely).

    The only direct quote from the platform document that spurred that idiot's demand that the Republicans "move to Iran or the Vatican" was the quote "man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights."

    Not only is that statement es ...[text shortened]... ers their civil rights."
    [/quote]

    I don't see any demand that we establish a state religion.
    you got there by clicking on the "we the people" section from this link:
    https://www.gop.com/platform/

    which has 2012 placed smack in the middle.


    we are in the year 2016 and there has been a new platform. the one described in the TYT piece.
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    14 Jul '16 13:24
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "Typical idiotic YT"
    how about "typical idiotic nytimes"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/republican-convention-issues.html?_r=0
    "The platform demands that lawmakers use religion as a guide when legislating, stipulating “that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights.”"
    It also encourages the teaching of the Bible in pu ...[text shortened]... ve aspect in the entire piece. The other issues are too difficult to argue? Almost indefensible?
    TYT quoted from the Times correctly, but then went off on a minute-long harangue about how the Republicans want a Theocracy and should move to Iran, all of which was utter, vapid nonsense and completely unsupported by the language they quoted.

    === It's revealing that you chose to focus on the least offensive aspect in the entire piece. ===

    Sorry; I'm not going to continue watching that drivel. The first 90 seconds was enough. That's about how far I usually get into the YT videos before I watch something else in disgust. Even when I agree with their point, the YT has a particularly nasty habit of engaging in hysterical hyperbole and taking quotes completely out of context. Although much less talented and popular, they're comparable to Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter on the other side.
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    14 Jul '16 13:25
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    you got there by clicking on the "we the people" section from this link:
    https://www.gop.com/platform/

    which has 2012 placed smack in the middle.


    we are in the year 2016 and there has been a new platform. the one described in the TYT piece.
    The 2016 document is not yet available (that I can find, anyway). When it becomes available or if you can find the whole document, I'll be happy to discuss it.
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    14 Jul '16 13:27
    Originally posted by sh76
    The 2016 document is not yet available (that I can find, anyway). When it becomes available or if you can find the whole document, I'll be happy to discuss it.
    until then, since all the major news outlets are in agreement on what they put in it, perhaps you might want to abstain from embarrassing yourself by claiming TYT lies.
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    14 Jul '16 13:30
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "Typical idiotic YT"
    how about "typical idiotic nytimes"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/republican-convention-issues.html?_r=0
    "The platform demands that lawmakers use religion as a guide when legislating, stipulating “that man-made law must be consistent with God-given, natural rights.”"
    It also encourages the teaching of the Bible in pu ...[text shortened]... ve aspect in the entire piece. The other issues are too difficult to argue? Almost indefensible?
    Huh.
    So what you touched on in this post is the least offensive of the platform, is it?
    What of the platform grieves you the most?
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    14 Jul '16 13:31
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    until then, since all the major news outlets are in agreement on what they put in it, perhaps you might want to abstain from embarrassing yourself by claiming TYT lies.
    I have not seen a major news outlet shamelessly claim that the GOP wants to establish a theocracy, as the idiot did.
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    14 Jul '16 13:391 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    TYT quoted from the Times correctly, but then went off on a minute-long harangue about how the Republicans want a Theocracy and should move to Iran, all of which was utter, vapid nonsense and completely unsupported by the language they quoted.

    === It's revealing that you chose to focus on the least offensive aspect in the entire piece. ===

    Sorry; I'm n ...[text shortened]... less talented and popular, they're comparable to Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter on the other side.
    "TYT quoted from the Times correctly,"
    or, you know, from the republican platform.

    "then went off on a minute-long harangue about how the Republicans want a Theocracy"
    they do. well, to be fair, they want all the rules of a theocracy. doubt even them would want an ayatollah controlling the government.

    "should move to Iran"
    that would be nice indeed.

    "all of which was utter, vapid nonsense and completely unsupported by the language they quoted. "
    you just admitted to only watching a minute and a half. how do you know what they quoted in the rest of the piece?

    they quoted from the republican platform, quotes confirmed by all major news outlets. do you STILL claim they are lying?

    "Sorry; I'm not going to continue watching that drivel. The first 90 seconds was enough."
    then how about you don't make claims based on the remaining piece?




    "Although much less talented and popular"
    their numbers speak about their popularity. their talent, while not relevant in this discussion, is obvious for anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

    "they're comparable to Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter on the other side"
    heh, yeh, calling out the republicans on creating an anti-gay, fanatically religious platform is just the same as the hateful garbage rush limbaugh and ann coulter are spouting.
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    14 Jul '16 13:401 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    I have not seen a major news outlet shamelessly claim that the GOP wants to establish a theocracy, as the idiot did.
    a state religion, laws based on one single religion? what would you call that?
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    since sh76 cannot absorb more than 90 seconds of information, this one's first 90 seconds are about GOP adviser Annie Dickerson complaining that the GOP platform actively discriminates against gay people and applauding gays wanting to offer children a stable environment.
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    14 Jul '16 14:096 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvx40NPQYQw

    Among the highlights:
    -Pornography is a public menace and destroys millions of americans (22000 people killed by gun violence but porn is the priority)
    -The bible should be taught in school because it is essential to being a good citizen
    (but not the Bhagavad Gita or Q'uran or whatever) Also, it is essential ...[text shortened]...


    This is something that screams medieval. It is something that a theocracy would strive for.
    I haven't seen the DNC plateform but I can only imagine what it is.

    Let me guess:

    1. Oppose all religion that teaches morality. Keep schools devoid of any moral teachings whatsoever.
    2. Teach children that in an increasingly immoral society, it is then imparitive to take away all fire arms. It is also important to destroy a free economy since the ever increasingly immoral society does not give to the poor, hence, the state must do the job for them. Taking away the freedoms of an immoral society will cure all our ills.
    3. Create a new moral order that is based upon complete trust in government officials to fix all the problems within an amoral society, knowing that these are the only upright and moral people we can trust, just so long as they are not from the GOP, but I think that is only common sense. When government officials lie, it is only for the common good.
    4. All problems stem from a lack of material possessions. Therefore, seek to take from those that have material possessions at all costs. Coveting is a virture, and Marx taught us it is perhaps the only virtue worth celebrating.
    5. Know that we are a society that is divided along racial, religious, and socioeconomic lines. It is us against them and it is a battle to the death.
    6. Continue to celebrate immoral behavior of any kind and promote it nationally. This will contribute to our cause, for only a moral people can be free.
    7. We need more slaves...er...um....workers, so lets obtain more illegal immigrants. After all, we kill our offspring so we must import them.
    8. We must stop jobs from going over seas, but we sure don't care if they come here to take them.

    Now it may not be word for word, but my guess that is a pretty good synopsis.
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    14 Jul '16 14:11
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    a state religion, laws based on one single religion? what would you call that?
    I don't think it's accurate to say that Finland is a "theocracy."
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