Originally posted by no1marauderWell then vote for him for all I care. That's your right. I sure as hell won't be voting for him if he runs. Kosova was a Air War not a ground war.
I shouldn't have taken a retard's word for anything without checking; Clark's wife is a Irish-American Catholic from Brooklyn who he's been married to for 40 years. You must have gotten your "information" from Fox News and/or right wing blogs.
Kosovo was a war and it was won without the loss of a single US life. I'd say Clark did a pretty good jo ...[text shortened]... ed in action and received a Silver Star for bravery. Yeah, he's not "American" at all.
Originally posted by slimjimHe's one of the few Democrats I probably would vote for.
Well then vote for him for all I care. That's your right. I sure as hell won't be voting for him if he runs. Kosova was a Air War not a ground war.
Koasovo was a WAR. No US troops were killed in it. Clark accomplished his mission and did so with no losses. I didn't agree then with that war and still don't, but Clark was a commander of troops and it was not his place to decide whether the war should be fought or not. His job was to win it with the least possible loss of life. He did so; you should commend him for his service not attack him because right wingers tell you to.
Originally posted by slimjimNato bombed Serbian targets. You make it sound that Nato's intervention was to protect Serbian territory from invading Albanians.
To compare Kosovo to Iraq shows exactly what a dumbass you are. Kosovo is or was a state of Serbia who was protecting its borders from Albanians illegally coming over the border and pushing Serbs out of their homeland.
Originally posted by no1marauderNo losses in a bombing campaign the likes of Kosovo isn't hard. In fact, any loss would be embarassing.
He's one of the few Democrats I probably would vote for.
Koasovo was a WAR. No US troops were killed in it. Clark accomplished his mission and did so with no losses. I didn't agree then with that war and still don't, but Clark was a commander of troops and it was not his place to decide whether the war should be fought or not. His job was to w ...[text shortened]... so; you should commend him for his service not attack him because right wingers tell you to.
4 missiles landing in a neighbouring country's capital by mistake, bombing an Albanian refugee camp, bombing the Chinese embassy, not to mention several hospitals...
A success it was, but that it was efficient is disputable. Bombing another country's capital by mistake is quite a blunder, in my opinion.
Originally posted by slimjimI heard those Generals hate our Freedoms.
Those Generals, most of which had a axe to grind with Rumsfeld. Most were Clinton cronies that were promoted when he was in office. It doesn't amaze me that the cowards are denouncing Rumsfeldt after they have retired. Westley Clark was a buffoon as the USAEUR Commander.
Originally posted by PalynkaHolding the commanding general responsible for technical failures in equipment is ridiculous. I don't know where you ever got the idea that a bombing campaign doesn't result in losses of pilots; I can't think of another one that didn't. You pretty obviously don't have any knowledge of warfare at all.
No losses in a bombing campaign the likes of Kosovo isn't hard. In fact, any loss would be embarassing.
4 missiles landing in a neighbouring country's capital by mistake, bombing an Albanian refugee camp, bombing the Chinese embassy, not to mention several hospitals...
A success it was, but that it was efficient is disputable. Bombing another country's capital by mistake is quite a blunder, in my opinion.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou're funny. Have a cookie.
Holding the commanding general responsible for technical failures in equipment is ridiculous. I don't know where you ever got the idea that a bombing campaign doesn't result in losses of pilots; I can't think of another one that didn't. You pretty obviously don't have any knowledge of warfare at all.
Originally posted by PalynkaNo. I'm saying the US shouldn't have bombed Serbia. Kosovo is a part of Serbia and the Serbs were defending their borders from Albanian Moslems who were crossing the border illegally and killing Serbians.
Nato bombed Serbian targets. You make it sound that Nato's intervention was to protect Serbian territory from invading Albanians.
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm not attacking him for his service. I'm attacking the bunch who are now whining and bitching about the war. Most as I have said have an agenda with the SECDEF. I'm sure if they were men of principal as they are trying to BS everyone into believing they are they should have said. We can't your war plans Mr. SECDEF so my resignation will be on your desk in the morning. They just kept their mouths shut to get another star and some cushy job as a defense contractor.
He's one of the few Democrats I probably would vote for.
Koasovo was a WAR. No US troops were killed in it. Clark accomplished his mission and did so with no losses. I didn't agree then with that war and still don't, but Clark was a commander of troops and it was not his place to decide whether the war should be fought or not. His job was to w ...[text shortened]... so; you should commend him for his service not attack him because right wingers tell you to.
Originally posted by slimjimDid it EVER occur to you that as patriotic members of the military they didn't want to resign their commissions in the middle of a war? It takes a lot for a career military SOLDIER to finally say "I've had it with the BS" and quit. But an ignorant, right wing parrot like you wouldn't understand any of that.
I'm not attacking him for his service. I'm attacking the bunch who are now whining and bitching about the war. Most as I have said have an agenda with the SECDEF. I'm sure if they were men of principal as they are trying to BS everyone into believing they are they should have said. We can't your war plans Mr. SECDEF so my resignation will be on your desk in ...[text shortened]... just kept their mouths shut to get another star and some cushy job as a defense contractor.
Originally posted by slimjimwhat do retired Generals have to gain by speaking out against Rumsfeld? do you think that criticism of Rumsfeld will help them get those "cushy jobs" with defense contractors?
I'm not attacking him for his service. I'm attacking the bunch who are now whining and bitching about the war. Most as I have said have an agenda with the SECDEF. I'm sure if they were men of principal as they are trying to BS everyone into believing they are they should have said. We can't your war plans Mr. SECDEF so my resignation will be on your desk in ...[text shortened]... just kept their mouths shut to get another star and some cushy job as a defense contractor.
and what evidence, besides that they disagree with the Bush admin, do you have that these generals are not "men of principle"?
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"My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions - or bury the results." - Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.
Ouch.
An article by Newbold specifically detailing his criticisms is at: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1181629-1,00.html
Originally posted by no1marauderAfter being publicly chastised by Secretary Rumsfeld, Lt. General Newbold suddenly requested early retirement and now, years later, is playing the politician while couching himself in a Marine uniform he removed some four months before the war even started.
"My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions - or bury the results." - Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.
Ouch.
An article by Newbold specifically detailing his criticisms is at: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1181629-1,00.html
I'd rather see his full-throated critique of Somalia. Where he commanded the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit during Operation Restore Hope. Yet under Clinton he rose to the Director of Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss'...hardly.