Originally posted by @whodey
I reckon we will let the philosophers and scientists continue to make us believe in the birth fairy. For it only when the fetus passes out of the womb that they magically become human once the birth fairy waves her magic secular humanist wand over them to make them human! 😵
I have already granted that this is the object of the debate.
And there is no clear answer.
The fault line is as usual in the middle but the fiercest battles are being fought at the extremes.
Those of religious faith vs the feminists.
There is a no thought to the logistics in the middle.
How do we define when life actually begins ?
What should the date on my birth certificate be ?
Amongst many other questions out there.
This is a topic for science and philosophy.
The motivation for taking one position or the other have nothing to do with answering the question.
If I push the extreme sides of the debate, I can flush out the emotional reasons for any position taken.
For the anti-abortion, it will be morality.
Someone will wave a Bible in my face.
Sex is for procreation only.
Women's place is in the kitchen.
Etc, etc, etc ...
On the other side, the arguments will be.
Keep your hands off women's bodies, etc, etc ...
The argument will always be about morality and religion pitted against personal freedoms.
If I ask you when you think life begins, I would bet you couldn't give me an intelligent answer.
I know I couldn't answer the question.
Or at least I won't.
And I know dinosaurs didn't walk the earth 4000 years ago.
And someone didn't manage to load every species of mammals onto a boat less than half the size of the Titanic.
And that every species of mammal just happened to be within 10 miles of that boat. 😀
Ok, I'm just being facetious and funny.
But I know that you are not debating.
You are preaching.
We are evolving and that frightens a lot of you.
And I will continue to maintain that humanity should not be led by people who are frightened of humanity.
Just my opinion.