@mchill saidOh Jesus, not that old song and dance. Whataboutisms!! That went out with Suzianne.
This all sounds fine to me, but (without sinking too deep into the legal weeds) How many more years have to run by before we see our monarch Donald J Trump face justice for trying to overturn the 2020 election, stealing classified documents, or tax evasion, and what kind of punishment should he face? We both know, if some common working-class grunt did just 10% of what Trump h ...[text shortened]... n't be in a minimum-security country club!)
You're the lawyer - give it to us in layman's terms.
McHill...McHill....tell us truthfully what you fellers would be raving about if Donald Trump Jr had left the proverbial laptop at the computer store. why won't you answer this request??
@averagejoe1 saidI wasn't asking you skippy. no1marauder has the law degree, you have lettuce and french fries. Be a good little boy and wait for his response. You might learn something. 🙄
Oh Jesus, not that old song and dance. Whataboutisms!! That went out with Suzianne.
McHill...McHill....tell us truthfully what you fellers would be raving about if Donald Trump Jr had left the proverbial laptop at the computer store. why won't you answer this request??
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@mchill said1) I have my doubts he'll ever face any criminal charges for attempting to overturn the 2020 election;
This all sounds fine to me, but (without sinking too deep into the legal weeds) How many more years have to run by before we see our monarch Donald J Trump face justice for trying to overturn the 2020 election, stealing classified documents, or tax evasion, and what kind of punishment should he face? We both know, if some common working-class grunt did just 10% of what Trump h ...[text shortened]... n't be in a minimum-security country club!)
You're the lawyer - give it to us in layman's terms.
2) I would suspect we'll know within the next 6 months whether he'll be charged for the removal of documents from the WH to Margo Largo;
3) I have no idea whether there's a case for tax evasion or not. Where they are based on dubious accounting tricks (which seems to be the case here), they are almost always settled with payment of back taxes, penalties and interest rather than a criminal case.
The Mueller Report laid out a strong case for Obstruction of Justice but Merrick Garland's DOJ has declined to proceed with it. One can speculate why.
@AverageJoe1
Your defense of Trump is getting well worn by now, you say you won't vote for Trump but here you are defending the shyte out of him and he is indefensible.
You confuse strong leadership with pigheadedness, Trump NEVER listens to his advisors, he hears them and does what he wants in spite of advice to the contrary, REAL advice that could help him not be a would be dictator but that is NEVER Trump's style, he is, was, and always will be a dictator in waiting.
You know he denounced the constitution, does that tell you ANYTHING?
@no1marauder saidThank You.
1) I have my doubts he'll ever face any criminal charges for attempting to overturn the 2020 election;
2) I would suspect we'll know within the next 6 months whether he'll be charged for the removal of documents from the WH to Margo Largo;
3) I have no idea whether there's a case for tax evasion or not. Where they are based on dubious accounting tricks (which seems ...[text shortened]... ruction of Justice but Merrick Garland's DOJ has declined to proceed with it. One can speculate why.
@no1marauder saidGiuliani is squirming, trying to pretend he didn’t know Trump was lying.
1) I have my doubts he'll ever face any criminal charges for attempting to overturn the 2020 election;
2) I would suspect we'll know within the next 6 months whether he'll be charged for the removal of documents from the WH to Margo Largo;
3) I have no idea whether there's a case for tax evasion or not. Where they are based on dubious accounting tricks (which seems ...[text shortened]... ruction of Justice but Merrick Garland's DOJ has declined to proceed with it. One can speculate why.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/05/politics/rudy-giuliani-ethics-hearing/index.html
Best line from the article is right at the end:
<Giuliani has signaled interest in bringing in witnesses to talk about their investigation into supposed voting “irregularities.” His initial list of potential witnesses included several prominent names in Trump world, including some who played central roles in pushing Trump’s election fraud lies, but his lawyers have since indicated that many of those witnesses won’t be testifying on advice of their own counsel.>
In Trumpland, it’s each man for himself, dog eat dog. Trump’s people are throwing Giuliani under the bus. One by one, the president’s men will fall. They were in it together, but they’ll hang separately.
@no1marauder saidhttps://www.zerohedge.com/political/january-6-trials-remind-us-why-we-must-abolish-seditious-conspiracy-laws
Some of the Maga lads did wind up getting convicted of seditious conspiracy for their actions on January 6th, 2021:
" Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes was convicted Tuesday of seditious conspiracy for a violent plot to overturn President Joe Biden’s election, handing the Justice Department a major victory in its massive prosecution of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. ...[text shortened]... k on the Capitol though MB and Wajoma among others have insisted there's no basis for such a charge.
@metal-brain saidLMAO! Yeah, trying to forcibly overthrow an elected government shouldn't be a crime!
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/january-6-trials-remind-us-why-we-must-abolish-seditious-conspiracy-laws
@no1marauder saidThat wasn't what was happening, so LMAO! indeed. You only have to try to play that idea forward for a day or so and those that try to float it fall in LMAO heap. To counter this you say 'Alright, we agree, you could be right, how would it play, let's try to take you seriously' and the house of cards tumbles.
LMAO! Yeah, trying to forcibly overthrow an elected government shouldn't be a crime!
Even if they set the place on fire that would hardly be a fraction of a hiccup in the day to day running of goobermnt, the machine would keep rolling regardless, remotely or from some bunker. There'd be departments tasked with simulating those and other unrealistic scenarios over and over and then developing protocols to deal with them, every whacky scenario has had real resources and time and money put into investigating them. A tidal wave? an earthquake? how would it be if killer bees attacked the capitol?
But No'1 is making a LMAO of himself so let's say by some miracle a bunch of unarmed, unorganised yokels, one of them wearing horns managed to hold the capitol for let's say (and we're going to go mad with the exaggeration here) 36 hours. What could they achieve in the way of establishing another goobermint? That is once they were finished taking selfies and putting their feet on perosis's desk and stealing a lectern.
So 'overthrow an elected goobermint'?? that's LMAO.
But to continue the embarrassing fantasising, let's try to imagine what it would take to actually hold the capitol for a week, (trying to imagine what it would take to overthrow the US goobermint is too far beyond ridiculous) What arms would be necessary, what supplies, what to do when the feds shut off the power, water, communications, LMAO LMAO
...an exit plan??? LMAO
Few countries would have the resources to put together a credible plan.
There was no coup, there was no insurrection and those that repeat those ideas are sonhouses. Are you nothing more than a sonhouse No1, have you fallen so low in the crazy club?
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@wajoma saidEver heard of Ukraine 2014?
That wasn't what was happening, so LMAO! indeed. You only have to try to play that idea forward for a day or so and those that try to float it fall in LMAO heap. To counter this you say 'Alright, we agree, you could be right, how would it play, let's try to take you seriously' and the house of cards tumbles.
Even if they set the place on fire that would hardly be a fracti ...[text shortened]... are sonhouses. Are you nothing more than a sonhouse No1, have you fallen so low in the crazy club?
That was one instance but history is replete with examples of a relatively small group seizing control of the center of government and succeeding in toppling the existing regime.
@no1marauder saidThe ukraine is planning on overthrowing the US goobermint? That'll have to be after dealing with the Russians surely. Will the sleepy joe cut off zalenskys aid?
Ever heard of Ukraine 2014?
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@wajoma saidYour profound ignorance of even recent history is laughable.
The ukraine is planning on overthrowing the US goobermint? That'll have to be after dealing with the Russians surely. Will the sleepy joe cut off zalenskys aid?
Here's another example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Rome
@no1marauder saidThere is no evidence of a coordinated effort to overthrow the government. You are talking about 2 people who were foolish and broke laws. Assault and battery and destruction of property. Adding seditious conspiracy is just a way to set the precedent for locking up people for a long time instead of just charging them with Assault and battery and destruction of property.
LMAO! Yeah, trying to forcibly overthrow an elected government shouldn't be a crime!
What they did was already a crime idiot. Why not charge them with flamboyant conspiracy too? How about reckless conspiracy? I can make up more, but you get the point. It is a good way to solidify the authoritarian regime. If you even sneeze toward the capitol building or white house you will be locked up so long you might as well commit suicide rather than be taken alive.
Our country is being transformed into an oppressive authoritarian regime. If republicans were doing that you would oppose it. Everything is partisan with you. As long as democrats do evil you can let it slide. Biden tried to start WW3 and you let it slide. If Trump had done that you would be calling for his impeachment, but because it was Biden you can let it slide.
Your partisan bias is like a mental illness. You worship hypocrisy. You cannot resist propaganda. Anybody who bought into the lies about covid will buy into anything. You don't have critical thinking skills. You are probably still fooling yourself into thinking no evidence means evidence. You are a walking contradiction.
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@metal-brain saidYou obviously didn't bother to read the indictment so remain incredibly ignorant of what Rhodes and others actually did.
There is no evidence of a coordinated effort to overthrow the government. You are talking about 2 people who were foolish and broke laws. Assault and battery and destruction of property. Adding seditious conspiracy is just a way to set the precedent for locking up people for a long time instead of just charging them with Assault and battery and destruction of property.
...[text shortened]... ly still fooling yourself into thinking no evidence means evidence. You are a walking contradiction.
If you ever do (you won't), you'll see there was plenty of "evidence of a coordinated effort to overthrow the government. "
@no1marauder saidThat was a small group of people in the US government that overthrew the Ukraine government in a coup. To be clear it was a conspiracy. A lot like Operation Ajax when the CIA overthrew the first and last democracy in Iran.
Ever heard of Ukraine 2014?
That was one instance but history is replete with examples of a relatively small group seizing control of the center of government and succeeding in toppling the existing regime.
Our government has no respect for democracy and you should stop defending the regime we live under. They are insane megalomaniacs that are trying to start WW3 and you are condoning that coming mass murder of millions of people in a war for global domination. Have you noticed how Ukraine has escalated the war by bombing military bases that have nuclear weapons on them.
WW3 is the plan. They are not going to stop trying until they get WW3. The only thing that can stop them is when you, sonhouse, kev and all the other minions of the establishment stop watching them push us into WW3 without doing anything. That could lead to nuclear war which would be the worst environmental catastrophic event since 536 and probably far worse with all the radiation. You need to speak out against that senior American intelligence official so he is outed and held accountable.
“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”
― Albert Einstein