Stewart Rhodes, who was convicted of seditious conspiracy, had been in contact with Trump confidantes Roger Stone and Rudy Giuliani's son Andrew after the election:
"Nestler described how Rhodes and the other accused coordinated their plans to descend on Washington in encrypted text message groups and GoToMeeting sessions.
Using digital footprints of Rhodes and his accomplices, prosecutors presented evidence of the defendants discussing over a period of months their plans to keep Trump in power by force. This included bringing an assortment of weapons for use on January 6, 2021, including guns and paramilitary gear, which they stored in hotel rooms occupied by “quick reaction forces” just outside of Washington D.C.
To show that there was indeed a conspiratorial plot, Nestler produced Signal text messages Rhodes sent to Oath Keepers and the “Friends of Stone” (FOS) chat group on and around November 7, 2020, the day Biden was declared the winner of the presidential election.
The chat group was headed by long-time Trump operative Roger Stone, whom Trump pardoned between the 2020 election and January 6, 2021, the day set for Congress to certify Biden’s win.
Other members of Stone’s chat group who played a role in Trump’s coup attempt include Republican operative and lead “Stop the Steal” organizer Ali Alexander and the leader of the Proud Boys militia group, Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, who has also been charged with seditious conspiracy.
Another Oath Keeper in the group was the former lead counsel for the Oath Keepers, Kelly SoRelle. SoRelle was also a volunteer for Lawyers for Trump, a coalition of right-wing lawyers assembled ahead of the 2020 election.
Last month, the Department of Justice (DoJ) charged SoRelle on four counts in connection with the coup, including conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and obstruction of justice. SoRelle was videotaped outside the Capitol with Rhodes on January 6, as Oath Keepers breached the Capitol in a “stack” military-style formation.Their aim was to capture or kill elected officials, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Mike Pence.
Last week, NBC News reported that SoRelle texted with Trump White House aide Andrew Giuliani about “election issues” in November 2020. Andrew is the son of Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal coup lawyer."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/05/odas-o05.html
@no1marauder saidWho is Stewart Rhodes and what does he have to do with this? Is he one of the redneck idiots we were talking about or are you digressing to avoid admitting you are wrong about the FBI?
Stewart Rhodes, who was convicted of seditious conspiracy, had been in contact with Trump confidantes Roger Stone and Rudy Giuliani's son Andrew after the election:
"Nestler described how Rhodes and the other accused coordinated their plans to descend on Washington in encrypted text message groups and GoToMeeting sessions.
Using digital footprints of Rhodes and his ...[text shortened]... ani, Trump’s personal coup lawyer."[/b]
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/10/05/odas-o05.html
@metal-brain saidLMAO! Rhodes, you imbecile, is the person the thread is about!
Who is Stewart Rhodes and what does he have to do with this? Is he one of the redneck idiots we were talking about or are you digressing to avoid admitting you are wrong about the FBI?
Still waiting for that FBI website link that says DOJ got it all wrong.
@no1marauder saidSo what? That has nothing to do with Trump.
LMAO! Rhodes, you imbecile, is the person the thread is about!
Still waiting for that FBI website link that says DOJ got it all wrong.
So you proved Rhoads is an idiot, what I have been saying all along.
Are you willing to bet I cannot find the FBI report on the FBI website? If I am going to do your work for you I insist you make it worthwhile. The usual terms with end of month deadline. Agreed?
@metal-brain saidStop with the pretend bet BS; one cannot make a bet with someone who insists they be the sole judge of whether they have won the bet or not.
So what? That has nothing to do with Trump.
So you proved Rhoads is an idiot, what I have been saying all along.
Are you willing to bet I cannot find the FBI report on the FBI website? If I am going to do your work for you I insist you make it worthwhile. The usual terms with end of month deadline. Agreed?
Does Roger Stone have "nothing to do with Trump"? How about Rudy Giuliani's son? Rhodes was in contact with both about his plans for January 6th as my last link shows.
Your article gave dated and eventually incorrect information like this:
"But one source said there has been little, if any, recent discussion by senior Justice Department officials of filing charges such as "seditious conspiracy" to accuse defendants of trying to overthrow the government. They have also opted not to bring racketeering charges, often used against organized criminal gangs.
Senior officials had discussed filing such charges in the weeks after the attack, the sources said.
Prosecutors have also not brought any charges alleging that any individual or group played a central role in organizing or leading the riot. Law-enforcement sources told Reuters no such charges appeared to be pending."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
But such charges were brought against Rhodes and others just a few months after the article (which makes no claim there is any "FBI report" saying there wasn't evidence of a coordinated attack on the Capitol - something alleged in the indictments).
This NBC article was written the day before January 6th, 2021:
"Calls to violence have also been pulled from anonymous QAnon fans on the depths of extremist websites like 8kun to viral posts on Twitter. L. Lin Wood, a lawyer and QAnon influencer, [And Trump's lawyer in challenging the Georgia results in 2020 -no1] tweeted a link Monday to an 8kun-hosted document that openly advocated for civil war. It was retweeted over 25,000 times. The post was also shared by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, a Trump donor, and Ron Watkins, who runs the QAnon hub 8kun, and it has been retweeted by Trump several times this week.
QAnon supporters have been looking forward to Wednesday for weeks, many of them believing in a legally impossible scenario in which Vice President Mike Pence extrajudicially overrides the results of the election in an elaborate ceremony that immediately causes civil unrest. QAnon believers, who call it the "Pence Card," believe Trump has promoted gatherings in Washington to effectively kick off a civil war after the fictitious event."
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/violent-threats-ripple-through-far-right-internet-forums-ahead-protest-n1252923
@no1marauder saidYou ran away from the bet with your tail between your legs. Few people other than you accept Reuters as a good enough news source. I am satisfied with your humiliation. Are you?
Stop with the pretend bet BS; one cannot make a bet with someone who insists they be the sole judge of whether they have won the bet or not.
Does Roger Stone have "nothing to do with Trump"? How about Rudy Giuliani's son? Rhodes was in contact with both about his plans for January 6th as my last link shows.
Your article gave dated and eventually incorrect informati ...[text shortened]... here wasn't evidence of a coordinated attack on the Capitol - something alleged in the indictments).
@metal-brain saidI'm satisfied you're a complete idiot.
You ran away from the bet with your tail between your legs. Few people other than you accept Reuters as a good enough news source. I am satisfied with your humiliation. Are you?
@no1marauder saidyou quote a STATE run media source?
This NBC article was written the day before January 6th, 2021:
"Calls to violence have also been pulled from anonymous QAnon fans on the depths of extremist websites like 8kun to viral posts on Twitter. L. Lin Wood, a lawyer and QAnon influencer, [And Trump's lawyer in challenging the Georgia results in 2020 -no1] tweeted a link Monday to an 8kun-hosted document that o ...[text shortened]... ws.com/tech/internet/violent-threats-ripple-through-far-right-internet-forums-ahead-protest-n1252923
@no1marauder saidAnd you know why he pled guilty, they threaten him with something else, something more serious, something too big and expensive to fight.
"Meandering"? Do a lot of people throw smoke bombs at police during their "meanders"?
"Ochs recorded himself saying: “sorry we couldn’t go live when we stormed the f—-in’ U.S. Capitol and made Congress flee.”
https://www.civilbeat.org/2022/09/hawaii-proud-boys-founder-pleads-guilty-to-role-in-jan-6-riot/
Ochs pled guilty to Obstruction of an Official Proceeding: ...[text shortened]... cation of the Electoral College vote ........................."
You're really making this easy.
If I make it easy, then you make it easier, it's pretty darn easy.
BTW, are you accusing Ochs of throwing smoke bombs? or just intimating it.
@wajoma said"DiCarlo looked around, and then he threw a smoke bomb at the police line. Ochs did the same."
And you know why he pled guilty, they threaten him with something else, something more serious, something too big and expensive to fight.
If I make it easy, then you make it easier, it's pretty darn easy.
BTW, are you accusing Ochs of throwing smoke bombs? or just intimating it.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22278880/nicholas-ochs-statement-of-offense.pdf
Paragraph 13
I suppose everyone who pleads guilty and admits their criminal actions is totally innocent by your "logic".
@no1marauder saidWho said this? Your link isn't working again. Tried copy pasting with and without the paragraph, with and without .pdf.
"DiCarlo looked around, and then he threw a smoke bomb at the police line. Ochs did the same."
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22278880/nicholas-ochs-statement-of-offense.pdf
Paragraph 13
I suppose everyone who pleads guilty and admits their criminal actions is totally innocent by your "logic".
Do you deny that bait is dangled for; dobbing others (with little regard to the truth) or confessing to things you may not have done to get it over with? That's a big gamble to take with your life and the lives of your family, not every relationship can handle 4 years apart the risk of that being lost increases the longer that time. Do you find it curious that the member of a white supremacist organisation is married to a black woman with whom he has children.
@wajoma saidIt's from what he pled guilty to.
Who said this? Your link isn't working again. Tried copy pasting with and without the paragraph, with and without .pdf.
Do you deny that bait is dangled for; dobbing others (with little regard to the truth) or confessing to things you may not have done to get it over with? That's a big gamble to take with your life and the lives of your family, not every relationship can ...[text shortened]... he member of a white supremacist organisation is married to a black woman with whom he has children.
No, I don't find it shocking or unprecedented that a member of a white supremacist organization would have sex with a female member of what they believe is an inferior "race". Google Strom Thurmond if you can figure out how to do so.
@no1marauder saidNicks wife is a bed wench that doesn't know any better because she's black?
It's from what he pled guilty to.
No, I don't find it shocking or unprecedented that a member of a white supremacist organization would have sex with a female member of what they believe is an inferior "race". Google Strom Thurmond if you can figure out how to do so.
A bit of prodding and the true racist shows his colours.
Somehow I can't picture you saying that to Nick or his wife, that's a behind his back anonymous thing to say.