Seditious Conspiracy Conviction

@wajoma said
Nicks wife is a bed wench that doesn't know any better because she's black?

A bit of prodding and the true racist shows his colours.

Somehow I can't picture you saying that to Nick or his wife, that's a behind his back anonymous thing to say.

Do you think having a black wife and child immunizes someone from obeying the penal laws of a country?

Ochs wasn't convicted of being a white supremacist but of obstruction of an official proceeding so this whole tangent is irrelevant. I don't care what his personal beliefs about "race" are.

@wajoma said
@Wajoma
"https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22278880-nicholas-ochs-statement-of-offense"

Yes, that's the Statement of Offense. As part of his Plea Agreement Ochs:

"agrees that the attached "Statement of Offense" fairly and accurately describes [Ochs'] actions and involvement in the offense(s) to which [Ochs] is pleading guilty."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1533916/download

Paragraph 3 "Factual Stipulations"

@no1marauder said
Do you think having a black wife and child immunizes someone from obeying the penal laws of a country?

Ochs wasn't convicted of being a white supremacist but of obstruction of an official proceeding so this whole tangent is irrelevant. I don't care what his personal beliefs about "race" are.

It should cause those that call Proud Boys white supremacists some hesitation before doing it again. There's no head of the Proud Boys now, they have few rules but one of them is no protests or rallies as PBs without the ok of the local chapter. Saying there were PBs at Jan6th is like saying bakers were at Jan 6th, or taxi drivers., Not sure about the Oath Keepers, don't know much about them.

Anyway no seditious conspiracy for Nick Ochs (although you can bet they threatened him with it and a lot more if he didn't cop the plea), in his statement he says what they were doing wouldn't change anything, about the worst is trespass and some graffiti, hardly 4 years worth.

@wajoma said
It should cause those that call Proud Boys white supremacists some hesitation before doing it again. There's no head of the Proud Boys now, they have few rules but one of them is no protests or rallies as PBs without the ok of the local chapter. Saying there were PBs at Jan6th is like saying bakers were at Jan 6th, or taxi drivers., Not sure about the Oath Keepers, don't kno ...[text shortened]... doing wouldn't change anything, about the worst is trespass and some graffiti, hardly 4 years worth.

Unlike bakers and taxi drivers, several high ranking Proud Boys including their national chairman at the time of January 6, 2021 are currently on trial for seditious conspiracy and other charges relating to the insurrection that day. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-trial-jury-selection-today-january-6-2021-enrique-tarrio/

@no1marauder said
Unlike bakers and taxi drivers, several high ranking Proud Boys including their national chairman at the time of January 6, 2021 are currently on trial for seditious conspiracy and other charges relating to the insurrection that day. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-trial-jury-selection-today-january-6-2021-enrique-tarrio/

Are you stating there were no bakers or taxi drivers involved? No carpenters or plumbers?

@wajoma said
Are you stating there were no bakers or taxi drivers involved? No carpenters or plumbers?

I'm stating that the leaders of the Proud Boys planned and organized to disrupt the Electoral College count by force according to their indictments. It wasn't just an extraordinary coincidence that they happened to be there as you seem to think.

@no1marauder said
I'm stating that the leaders of the Proud Boys planned and organized to disrupt the Electoral College count by force according to their indictments. It wasn't just an extraordinary coincidence that they happened to be there as you seem to think.

I'm saying they were no more representing PBs as the plumbers were representing plumbers.

Edit: For eg. PB chapters in the UK never attend rallies or protests.

@wajoma said
I'm saying they were no more representing PBs as the plumbers were representing plumbers.

Edit: For eg. PB chapters in the UK never attend rallies or protests.

Well, you're full of crap to say their leaders, including their national chairman, don't represent the views of the organization. And people don't join organizations who's views they don't agree with.

@no1marauder said
Well, you're full of crap to say their leaders, including their national chairman, don't represent the views of the organization. And people don't join organizations who's views they don't agree with.

It's like racism where you try to blanket attributes onto a group of disparate people, there are PB chapters that wear Hawaiian shirts (instead of the black and gold fred perrys) and drink cocktails. One thing is certain, while there were PBs members at Jan 6th as no doubt there were plumbers at Jan 6th, those that were there were not representing the club in any official way.

Their initiation involves being punched in the arm while trying to name breakfast cereals, do you think ISIS or MS13 have similar initiations?

@wajoma said
It's like racism where you try to blanket attributes onto a group of disparate people, there are PB chapters that wear Hawaiian shirts (instead of the black and gold fred perrys) and drink cocktails. One thing is certain, while there were PBs members at Jan 6th as no doubt there were plumbers at Jan 6th, those that were there were not representing the club in any official way. ...[text shortened]... the arm while trying to name breakfast cereals, do you think ISIS or MS13 have similar initiations?

Unlike stray plumbers, about 100 members of the Proud Boys gathered at the Washington Monument at 10 a.m. on January 6, 2021. Consistent with the directives previously sent by national chairman Tarrio and others they weren't wearing their usual black and yellow colors. Several of the leaders have walkie talkies and two used a bullhorn to direct the group, which moved en masse to the Capitol.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1510791/download
paragraphs 70-71

"Not representing the club"? LMAO!

There's plenty more in the indictment showing the level of coordination used by the "club" to try to accomplish its leaders' objective of stopping the Electoral count and its certification.

@no1marauder said
Unlike stray plumbers, about 100 members of the Proud Boys gathered at the Washington Monument at 10 a.m. on January 6, 2021. Consistent with the directives previously sent by national chairman Tarrio and others they weren't wearing their usual black and yellow colors. Several of the leaders have walkie talkies and two used a bullhorn to direct the group, which moved en m ...[text shortened]... " to try to accomplish its leaders' objective of stopping the Electoral count and its certification.

LMAO

...and why weren't they wearing their 'colours'?

LMAO

The club is divided on many issues, attending rallies and protests is one of those issues.

LMAO

So to say Tarrio (who happens to be not white but the so called 'chairman' of a supposedly white supremacist group) is not PB incarnate. He does not represent Proud Boys who were not to attend Jan 6th officially as a PB event. Other events that they have attended officially a point was made of saying so, officially.

LMAO

@wajoma said
LMAO

...and why weren't they wearing their 'colours'?

LMAO

The club is divided on many issues, attending rallies and protests is one of those issues.

LMAO

So to say Tarrio (who happens to be not white but the so called 'chairman' of a supposedly white supremacist group) is not PB incarnate. He does not represent Proud Boys who were not to attend Jan 6th offic ...[text shortened]... Other events that they have attended officially a point was made of saying so, officially.

LMAO

You really can't be this stupid, can you?

"On December 29, 2020, Tarrio posted a message on social media that the Proud Boys planned to "turn out in record numbers on Jan 6th but with a twist ........ we will not be wearing our traditional Black and Yellow."

Paragraph 37

They weren't wearing their traditional colors because their leaders told them not to so they'd be "incognito".

Read the actual indictment so you can stop making a complete fool of yourself.

@no1marauder said
You really can't be this stupid, can you?

"On December 29, 2020, Tarrio posted a message on social media that the Proud Boys planned to "turn out in record numbers on Jan 6th but with a twist ........ we will not be wearing our traditional Black and Yellow."

Paragraph 37

They weren't wearing their traditional colors because their leaders told them not to so they'd be "incognito".

Read the actual indictment so you can stop making a complete fool of yourself.

The indictment is something to be contested, something you're clearly unable to do as a little fun side debate.

Edit: How stupid can you beeeeee!!!!!!!!!

@no1marauder said
You really can't be this stupid, can you?

"On December 29, 2020, Tarrio posted a message on social media that the Proud Boys planned to "turn out in record numbers on Jan 6th but with a twist ........ we will not be wearing our traditional Black and Yellow."

Paragraph 37

They weren't wearing their traditional colors because their leaders told them not to so they'd be "incognito".

Read the actual indictment so you can stop making a complete fool of yourself.

Why didn't the capitol police that let protesters in the Capitol Building get charged with seditious conspiracy? I thought Trump supporters that conspired to let in other Trump supporters was a crime. Why do democrats like Trump supporters who let protesters in?

Democrats support Trump supporters. That should be the headline here, right?

@metal-brain said
Why didn't the capitol police that let protesters in the Capitol Building get charged with seditious conspiracy? I thought Trump supporters that conspired to let in other Trump supporters was a crime. Why do democrats like Trump supporters who let protesters in?

Democrats support Trump supporters. That should be the headline here, right?

Here's a headline:

Metal Brain is a deluded nut.