@kevcvs57 saidYou're entitled to your opinion, Kev and I am open to it.
You could also claim that poverty creates a tendency toward single parent families which in turn leads to poverty etc it’s almost certainly cyclical and in that cycle you will find higher rates of criminal convictions but the idea that there is no direct correlation between poverty and crime is a bit ‘flat Earth society’ for me.
As for your examples of two relatively poor s ...[text shortened]... crime gangs are well documented going way back and they definitely recruited from poverty hot spots.
Maybe if you found statistics that support the notion that poverty
leads to a higher divorce rate, it could especially be thought over.
poverty causing divorces, divorces and single parent families causing poverty?
What came first, the chicken or the egg. But you fist have to show me with stats
that your claim is valid. I'm not a fan of your proposition.
And btw, I did supply stats that really debunks this notion that poverty, in and of
itself, causes crime. It is tough to show that all these imperished countries
have each their own exemption to the thought-of rule.
My opinion.
NYC Shootings: 1-Year-Old Boy Shot To Death Outside Brooklyn Playground
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – A 1-year-old boy was shot to death overnight near a playground in Brooklyn.
Police said the child was sitting in a stroller with a group of people having a barbecue when gunfire erupted.
One year old. This is truly disgusting.
Thankfully, there are no ethnicities mentioned, both - of the victims or the culprits,
and the only Afican-Americans in photos are police.
This way here, finger pointers in here cannot wrongfully complain that I am
doing something, ehh, "wrongful" - for lack of a better term?
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/07/13/1-year-old-boy-shot-to-death-outside-brooklyn-playground/
@kazetnagorra saidSpecifically which wealthy countries are we talking about...I missed it?
These states have very high rates of violent crime compared to wealthy countries that have effectively tackled poverty.
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@kazetnagorra saidSo, lets look at Germany.
Here is a list of countries with their respective homicide rates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Poverty Rate 2017 - 15.8% [1]
Homicide Rate per Capita 2018 - 0.95 [2]
US States With Comparable Poverty: [3][4]
State..........Homicide Rate per Capita - 2018...Poverty Rate
Alabama........................7.8........................................16.80%
Oklahoma.......................5.2.........................................15.60%
Tennessee.......................7.4........................................15.30%
South Carolina..............7.7........................................15.30%
What do you make of it?
[1] https://www.wsi.de/en/poverty-in-east-and-west-germany-2005-2017-14394.htm#:~:text=In%202017%2C%2015.8%20per%20cent,2006%20to%2014%20per%20cent.
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
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@joe-shmo saidGermany has much lower poverty than those states (and any other U.S. state). It uses a different, stricter criterion to determine the poverty line.
So, lets look at Germany.
Poverty Rate 2017 - 15.8% [1]
Homicide Rate per Capita 2018 - 0.95 [2]
US States With Comparable Poverty: [3][4]
State..........Homicide Rate per Capita - 2018...Poverty Rate
Alabama........................7.8........................................16.80%
Oklahoma.......................5.2.........................................15.60 ...[text shortened]... _territories_by_poverty_rate
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
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@kazetnagorra saidSo what you are saying is poverty rate is subjective... only comparable locally? Will you provide data to show the differences?
Germany has much lower poverty than those states (and any other U.S. state). It uses a different, stricter criterion to determine the poverty line.
@joe-shmo saidThere is no state-by-state data for the U.S., but here is an attempt at a quantitative international comparison:
So what you are saying is poverty rate is subjective... only comparable locally? Will you provide data to show the differences?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI
@earl-of-trumps saidSoooo.......who are the REAL leaders ?
@mghrn55Sooooo......the point here......
The President identified the issue on Jan 20, 2017.
Should the current COVID 19 pandemic be put on the backburner for this serious issue you started a thread on ?
Seriously, if you don't wish to participate in the thread, please do not clog the
thread up with silly statements and questions.
[quote]The ...[text shortened]... quote]
We need a spiritual awakening. the clergy and political leaders.
And I mean REAL leaders.
You’re getting closer to revealing your true political desires.
You’re almost there. 😛
@earl-of-trumps saidNo I wasn’t thinking about divorce as such, although if you think about the kind of pressure that financial hardships bring to any relationship it’s almost obtuse to claim that you need evidence to support the idea that poverty would be a factor in a relationship breakdown over and above the ones that every relationship faces.
You're entitled to your opinion, Kev and I am open to it.
Maybe if you found statistics that support the notion that poverty
leads to a higher divorce rate, it could especially be thought over.
poverty causing divorces, divorces and single parent families causing poverty?
What came first, the chicken or the egg. But you fist have to show me with stats
that you ...[text shortened]... all these imperished countries
have each their own exemption to the thought-of rule.
My opinion.
I was actually referring to the cyclical nature of social deviance and deprivation whereby the children raised in poor single parent families might show a higher tendency to end up as a poor single mother and absent father. Another phrase for it is the ‘Socialisation Process’ it’s how behavioural patterns are passed from generation to generation and is the process by which societies replicate themselves over time.
@joe-shmo saidIf we draw the line for poverty at the bottom whatever percentile of income people think is suitable than we will always have poverty, that said, we have the fattest poor people in the world.
So what you are saying is poverty rate is subjective... only comparable locally? Will you provide data to show the differences?
Most of our nation's "poor" look like they been eatin' good and they all seem to have cell phones and 100 dollar sneakers.
In other countries the truly poor are starving and wearing rags..
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@kazetnagorra saidCan you interpret the translation between IHDI and Poverty Rate?
There is no state-by-state data for the U.S., but here is an attempt at a quantitative international comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI
How about this instead.
"The average OECD relative poverty rate (i.e. the share of people living with less than half the median disposable income in their country) was 11.7% in 2016 for the OECD (Figure 6.4). Poverty rates were highest in Israel and the United States at almost 18%, while poverty in Denmark and Finland affected only 5-6% of the population. Mediterranean countries, South American countries and Baltic countries have relatively high poverty rates. Emerging economies also have higher levels of poverty than most OECD countries, particularly China and South Africa." [1]
If you download the data the OECD data set you can find the following:
US - 17.8%
Germany - 10.1%
So don't suspect there will be an effortless process to convert between US Census and OECD definitions.
Why did you ask me to compare, if a comparison is not able to be drawn with relative ease? What methodology did you analyze to make the assertion? You wont even tell me which country you had in mind, you leave me with a "list" of all countries poverty rates to compare, then tell me the rates are not comparable!
[1] https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/8483c82f-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/8483c82f-en