25 Jan 12
"A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Justice served?
25 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFI'm not sure how ordering 5 civilians out of a taxi and shooting them in the street is not considered murder. Did the Sgt. claim someone was firing on him from the taxi?
"A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Justice served?
The other dead might have been killed in houses from which militants were firing.
25 Jan 12
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Complete justice system failure.
I have trouble judging these guys, they're put into unspeakable circumstances, and it's really hard for me to say I'd do much differently if my friends were killed in front of me by a roadside bomb.
But at the same time, he clearly murdered and the punishment for murder isn't a demotion to private rank.
25 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFWhat does "charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians" mean?
"A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Justice served?
Did he kill them? Was he negligent in allowing them to be killed? What exactly happened?
25 Jan 12
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Originally posted by sh76http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wuterich
What does "charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians" mean?
Did he kill them? Was he negligent in allowing them to be killed? What exactly happened?
"Originally charged with murder, the charges were later reduced to involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, and on January 23, 2012 Wuterich pled guilty to a single count of negligent dereliction of duty as part of an agreement with military prosecutors. In exchange, all other charges were dropped. Wuterich will be sentenced on January 24. He faces a maximum sentence of three months of confinement, forfeiture of two-thirds of pay for three months, and reduction in rank to Private"
25 Jan 12
Originally posted by PsychoPawnI'll have to look into exactly what happened. I've seen people get worse than that for theft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wuterich
"Originally charged with murder, the charges were later reduced to involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, and on January 23, 2012 Wuterich pled guilty to a single count of negligent dereliction of duty as part of an agreement with military prosecutors. In exchange, all other charges were dropped. Wu ...[text shortened]... nfinement, forfeiture of two-thirds of pay for three months, and reduction in rank to Private"
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by sh76He was in command and admittedly ordered his troops to "shoot first and ask questions later". In addition, evidence was that he personally fired his weapon on houses containing only civilians. 24 civilians were killed in the 45 minutes following said order. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091333/Frank-Wuterich-trial-Stunning-denial-US-Marine-Haditha-massacre-court-martial.html?ITO=1490
What does "charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians" mean?
Did he kill them? Was he negligent in allowing them to be killed? What exactly happened?
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by spruce112358From the OP report: "His former squad members testified during the hearings that they were not fired upon nor did they find any weapons at the scene of the killings."
The other dead might have been killed in houses from which militants were firing.
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by sh76He and his squad acted exactly the same as IDF soldiers when facing civillians, don't you think?
It does not then sound like justice was done. It's impossible to make a complete judgment of course, but it sounds as though he was guilty of some pretty serious misconduct.
22 Feb 12
Originally posted by FMF21 February 2012
"A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 [and who faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal] should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended." BBC.
Justice served?
US Haditha Marine Frank Wuterich discharged
The US Marine Corps has discharged the man convicted over the killing of Iraqi civilians in Haditha, a spokesman said.
Former Sgt Frank Wuterich, 31, was given a general discharge under honourable conditions and completed his service on Friday, he added.
rest here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17121937
22 Feb 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonThe question is did Sgt Wuterich's actions receive appropriate punishment and does it constitute justice for his (and his men's) 24 civilian victims. Your attempt to personalize a disagreement over this issue with a deflecting comment about "a arm chair analyst chess geek" diminishes your analysis and detracts from any military dignity or respect-due that you may be trying to allude to.
War is hell.
Its easy to be a arm chair analyst chess geek passing judgement on individuals in situations that they themselves have never been in.
22 Feb 12
Originally posted by PsychoPawnHe's keeping his job? LOL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wuterich
"Originally charged with murder, the charges were later reduced to involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, and on January 23, 2012 Wuterich pled guilty to a single count of negligent dereliction of duty as part of an agreement with military prosecutors. In exchange, all other charges were dropped. Wu ...[text shortened]... nfinement, forfeiture of two-thirds of pay for three months, and reduction in rank to Private"