Originally posted by ColettiYou say the most astounding things sometimes, Coletti.
So you are assuming you have the correct definition?? Is it possible that you don't know what Paul meant?
You are asking me if by fornicator -- which has had a standard definition as a person who
has sex outside of marriage -- might mean something else in St Paul's writings
(although it would be the only known example of such a variant),
BUT
'Homosexuals' -- who resemble NOTHING of what they did when St Paul wrote his letters --
necessarily has one, single, true and 100% accurate definition.
If you are going to demur on a standard understanding of 'fornicator,' then you have no ground
to stand upon when claiming that a 1st-century 'homosexual' has any resemblance to a 20th-
century homosexual.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioI was reflecting upon this, Coletti, and I have come to an opinion.
You say the most astounding things sometimes, Coletti.
You are asking me if by fornicator -- which has had a standard definition as a person who
has sex outside of marriage -- might mean something else in St Paul's writings
(although it would be the [b]only known example of such a variant),
BUT
'Homosexuals' -- who resemble NOTHING ...[text shortened]... that a 1st-century 'homosexual' has any resemblance to a 20th-
century homosexual.
Nemesio[/b]
Using the standard definition of fornicator (that is, as a person who has
sex with someone to whom they are not married), I have to ask you
this: are you a fornicator?
The reason I ask is because I have to wonder why someone, like yourself,
would challenge the fairly standard claim that 'sex outside the covenant of
marriage' is permissible in the sight of God. As such, my opinion is that
you have reinterpretted this standard definition to fit your own moral opinions
in spite of 'what the Bible says.'
Am I right?
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioI don't think it's any of your business if Coletti is a fornicator or not. This is a forum on a chess site, not Doctor Phil or Jerry Springer. MYOB.
I was reflecting upon this, Coletti, and I have come to an opinion.
Using the standard definition of fornicator (that is, as a person who has
sex with someone to whom they are not married), I have to ask you
this: are [b]you a fornicator?
The reason I ask is because I have to wonder why someone, like yourself,
would challenge the fairly stand ...[text shortened]... to fit your own moral opinions
in spite of 'what the Bible says.'
Am I right?
Nemesio[/b]
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Originally posted by no1marauderNo, it is not. You are correct. And I hope that if such a question makes
I don't think it's any of your business if Coletti is a fornicator or not. This is a forum on a chess site, not Doctor Phil or Jerry Springer. MYOB.
him uncomfortable, then he would simply decline to answer.
However, my motivation is not to 'counsel' him.
The question is directly relevant, I feel (whether he answers or not). If he (or
anyone) is going to make absolute pronouncements on the 'sinful state' of the
practicing and unrepentent homosexual (for why should the homosexual be
repentent if s/he feels that it is God-given and blessed by God), and given that
the term homosexual today certainly entails a very different understanding
than when St Paul apparently condemned it, then I would expect that he (or
anyone) would most certainly would not be a fornicator (a term which has had
the same definition for thousands of years).
So, I should certainly hope that Colleti is either not a fornicator (since he has made
these absolute pronouncements) or he has a damn good defense for why one can
interpret 'fornication' but not 'homosexuality' (which he has, as yet, not provided).
Nemesio
I believe a persons sexual orientation is a personal. So should be their sexual behaviour. How much sexuality we display in public is our choice within some guidelines set by the company we keep.
Fornication relates to sex outside marriage.. that happens a lot and no amount of any religious opinion will change it.
Now the serious bit... one thing is for sure.... you get girls when the woman goes on top... and Coletti has three girls. mmmmm
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Homosexuality is in fact very natural. The Greeks were very famous for their homosexual acts during puberty and onwards and it was perceived as essential and normal during their development into adulthood.Nature has many means of controlling population surplus, be it through disease, natural disasters, or perhaps even sexual inclination. All of us lean a little towards homosexuality and our intrigue, both mine and is yours prooves this.
Originally posted by sonhouseI agree poeple are blinded but not by faith but by ignorance. Jesus was famous for advocating love, forgiveness and peace. If my brethren brainwashed the world to believe that the world will be a far better place. Ignorance causes poeple to strap on a bomb. Bceause they are ignoring alot of other faith when they do this.
So you invent new words, Religiphile I think may be a better spelling, scans better. So think about how many people have been killed in the name of someones god, notice I use lower case here. The higher up you go in the power structure of religion the nastier and meaner and more corrupt the official. They are more than happy to send your or me to fight a wa ...[text shortened]... INK HARD about it, maybe you will see the connection to when you first got convinced to beleive.
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Originally posted by kturtle1lean as much as you want but for me ill stay with looking at women
Homosexuality is in fact very natural. The Greeks were very famous for their homosexual acts during puberty and onwards and it was perceived as essential and normal during their development into adulthood.Nature has many means of controlli ...[text shortened]... exuality and our intrigue, both mine and is yours prooves this.
and by the way violence is very natural the greeks were in a lot of wars does that make violence good?
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i think a person is entitled to their belief, opinion, and for that matter sexual orientation.
As for discrimination, should they be discriminated? NO.
But will they be? YES.
If people are discriminated against for race, religion, and gender what makes you think that homosexuality will be ruled out.
Originally posted by ADARKKNIGHTGenevieve and Eve...lol...hadn't heard this version of the joke yet.
IT WAS ADAM N EVE NOT ADAM N STEVE OR GENEVEVE N EVE...ITS THAT SIMPLE. WE WERE PUT HERE TO PROCREATE NOT STAGNATE. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH MOMMY 1 MOMMY 2 OR DADDY 1 DADDY 2 . TALK ABOUT CONFUSING A CHILD. SCHOOL IS HARD ENOUGH HAVING TO DEAL WITH YOUR OWN DIFFERENCES THAN HAVING TO SUBJECT A CHILD TO THE CRUELTIES OF OTHER CHILDR ...[text shortened]... ! I VIEW HOSEXUALITY LIKE I VIEW THE SIGNS IN AMERICA IN SPANISH...." WHAT A FUCKING JOKE" !!!
"ITS THAT SIMPLE. WE WERE PUT HERE TO PROCREATE NOT STAGNATE."
Guess condom use and abstinence are off the list. When you turn 18, you'd better get you a woman and get ta breedin'! No stagnation allowed!
"Hosexuality"...lol...I love these kinds of typos.