Originally posted by sonhouseWow! A religophobe, or maybe a Christianaphobe.
The really sad thing is christians basing judgements by what is writ in the bible like it was really from some god. GET REAL PEOPLE. The bible was written by MEN and WOMEN giving opinions. If it was written by a real god, the all powerful being, etc., then the vidic texts, the Quran, the bible and all the rest would say the same things. They cannot all be r ...[text shortened]... r down traffic lights, and become the beast their religion keeps telling them they are already.
Originally posted by Coletti
I'd be interested in how you would show the "fornication explicitly means sex outside of marriage" from the Bible.
So you are assuming you have the correct definition?? Is it possible that you don't know what Paul meant?
You are suggesting that the bible has to define fornication. The definition is "Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other".
The bible does not have to define it, that is what dictionaries are for!
Originally posted by lauseySorry, I do not think I would put a dictionary before the Bible. Dictionaries define words based on usage - they do not have the authority to define words - only to define how words are commonly used. The question remains, do we know what Paul meant by fornication - if so, how?
You are suggesting that the bible has to define fornication. The definition is "Sexual intercourse between partners who are not married to each other".
The bible does not have to define it, that is what dictionaries are for!
Originally posted by Coletti
Sorry, I do not think I would put a dictionary before the Bible. Dictionaries define words based on usage - they do not have the authority to define words - only to define how words are commonly used. The question remains, do we know what Paul meant by fornication - if so, how?
That would mean that we do not know what any quotes from bible means (which could be quite correct!). Same would apply to anything else that have been said in the past 😀
PS. I personally do not believe in the bible. Was just arguing the point of the definition of words, but if we were to argue the definition all the time of every word, then the whole debate falls apart. Therefore, in this case, we can only assume that what Paul meant by "fornication" is "sexual intercourse outside marriage".
So you invent new words, Religiphile I think may be a better spelling, scans better. So think about how many people have been killed in the name of someones god, notice I use lower case here. The higher up you go in the power structure of religion the nastier and meaner and more corrupt the official. They are more than happy to send your or me to fight a war, when they stay back in the citidel or whatever and reap their cruel sick benefits. I think modern religions are the scurge of the earth and should be driven from the mind of men. People, whatever. They are just like the generals who stand back 50 miles while 18 year olds are smashing at each other for reasons they haven't a clue. Same with religions, how sick is it to tell some poor sap he will have virgins in heaven if he straps on a bomb and blows up a bunch of jews in the shook in Jerusalem, eh?
Or how bout that wonderful time with the inquisition, like that one, did you? you know there is still an inquisition office open in Peru?
What, me a religiphile, whatever gave you that idea🙂
However, I notice you did not breach the subject, just ridiculed the debater like I said you would. You don't want to think about how blinded your mind is by your so-called faith and the implications for why you are a homophobe and probably a lot of other phobes you don't even know about that have been drilled into you by your brainwashing brethen. Try thinking back to when you were a child and had no phobias. Where did they come from? THINK HARD about it, maybe you will see the connection to when you first got convinced to beleive.
Originally posted by sonhouseOh come on! You think religion is the cause of all things evil? Religion is simply the excuse people use to justify evil. People will use whatever they can - communism, despotism, humanism, Darwinism, what ever -ism that does the trick. It does not have to be religion. You are right when you see it in terms of power. Power corrupts, not religion.
So you invent new words, Religiphile I think may be a better spelling, scans better. So think about how many people have been killed in the name of someones god, notice I use lower case here. The higher up you go in the power structure of religion the nastier and meaner and more corrupt the official. They are more than happy to send your or me to fight a wa ...[text shortened]... INK HARD about it, maybe you will see the connection to when you first got convinced to beleive.
Originally posted by ColettiFinally you start an actual debate. I was getting worried you were incapable of digging into an issue for real. You mentioned communism as one of the excuses for evil. Thing about that is, it only lasted on the world scene for 70 odd years with holdouts. Christianity has been dogging us for 2000 years now and no end in sight. Humanity needs to do some serious maturing or there won't BE any humanity to mature and I am dead serious about that. This business of phobias is only the tip of the iceburg of the real problem which is overpopulation ruining the planet, running out of fossil fuels, not making a manhatton style project out of fusion, getting us off the oil standard, these are serious serious problems that can lead us down the road to chaos. For instance, we are all looking forward to regular travel in space, maybe colonies on mars and the moon, looking to make an interstellar voyage to Alpha Centauri, etc. If we don't take care of the planet and manage our population which doesn't look like its happening we can get into a situation where we are fighting for survival and space programs are out the window, forget LEO much less colonies. If you don't think that could happen you have your head in the sand. On the religious front, you seem incapable of actually searching in your own self for the roots of your homophobia which is in fact religious in nature. Sure religion is just one of the excuses for evil but it is in fact the biggest one going right now, makes communism look like a PTA meeting.
Oh come on! You think religion is the cause of all things evil? Religion is simply the excuse people use to justify evil. People will use whatever they can - communism, despotism, humanism, Darwinism, what ever -ism that does the trick. It does not have to be religion. You are right when you see it in terms of power. Power corrupts, not religion.
Originally posted by ColettiThat is honest. I can see no real difference either.
You mean besides being sexually attracted to those of the same sex? Or sexual active with those of the same sex? Other than those, I can't think of any differences.
Is this (implied sexual) difference a bad thing?
I say no. And I don't even have to give my reasons. I just decided that it was ok for people to get whatever they can from this life before they are eaten by worms, or stuffed with formaldehyde and mummified for the resurrection or toasted like a marshmallow gone wild in a crematorium.
Life is short. We must all be ourselves. Live in hope of love and deserving of it. Don't live in fear.