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Should pregnant women be denied alcohol?

Should pregnant women be denied alcohol?

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@athousandyoung said
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https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

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https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/jiop/articles/2019/inheritance-rights-posthumous-children/

A posthumous child is a child who is born after the death of the child’s mother or father, according to Warren’s Heaton on Surrogate’s Court Practice. To determine whether a posthumous child has the right to inherit from his or her predeceased parent, most states apply the Uniform Parentage Act (UPA). The law was drafted by National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 2002 and approved by the American Bar Association in 2003. Those states that do not apply the UPA have their own laws that serve a relatively similar function to the UPA in making such determinations. Every state shares one commonality: The surviving parent must provide proof of the deceased’s intent for the posthumous child to inherit.


That means the fetus can only inherit property if it is explicitly stated so by the parent before his/her death. If my Dad dies, and he does not have a will, I will still inherit, because I am a person.

*Except he doesn't have anything to inherit but that's beside the point

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@joe-shmo said
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

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Alabama:

specifies that nothing in the act shall make it a crime to perform or obtain an abortion that is otherwise legal.


Alabama clearly does not consider the fetus a person if it is legal to abort.

Alaska:

The law does not apply to acts that cause the death of an unborn child if those acts were committed during a legal abortion to which the pregnant woman consented or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf consented, or for which such consent is implied by law.


I'm starting to see a pattern here.

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https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/state-laws-held-unconstitutional.html

A Texas statute making it a crime to procure or to attempt to procure an abortion except on medical advice to save the life of the mother infringes upon a woman’s right of privacy protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.


Not all State laws are legal. That's why I asked for a specific example of someone convicted of murder.

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@vivify said
https://tinyurl.com/Alcohol-Facts

The article discusses the following case, cited from the New York Times:

A recent case in New York where a pregnant lady who was refused alcohol pursued litigation has stirred controversy regarding pregnant women who wish to drink alcohol or abuse other substances. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued guidelines sta ...[text shortened]... tion.


Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?
no

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Now you got me really thinking.

Married Pro Life Republican Pennsylvania Representative Tim Murphy impregnated Shannon Edwards and then asked her to have an abortion.

Is Mr Edwards guilty of conspiracy to murder?

If Ms Edwards had a miscarriage, would she stand to inherit from Mr Edwards as the next of kin to his child?

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@vivify said
https://tinyurl.com/Alcohol-Facts

The article discusses the following case, cited from the New York Times:

A recent case in New York where a pregnant lady who was refused alcohol pursued litigation has stirred controversy regarding pregnant women who wish to drink alcohol or abuse other substances. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued guidelines sta ...[text shortened]... tion.


Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?
A serious debate!
Kuddos!

How dangerous is driving or crossing the road, compared to drinking a glass of booze? Or smoking a cigarette? Or masturbating with a flaming torch?

This is one of those arguments that most people realise that what’s being offered is actually, generally, advise on food for a person.
And this being said, less fatty foods, exercise and 3 shags a week are usually benificial.

As with seatbelts, drugs, abortion, booze (whenever), in situations when the behaviour only really affects the individual, I think the government should be posting guidelines; handing out proven advice.

This being said, one could point out that insurance companies are pushing legislation on these matters.
And that being said, insurance campanies, in my humble opinion, should be forced to supplement policy or be nationalized. A fair choice on their part.


@shavixmir said
A serious debate!
Kuddos!

How dangerous is driving or crossing the road, compared to drinking a glass of booze? Or smoking a cigarette? Or masturbating with a flaming torch?

This is one of those arguments that most people realise that what’s being offered is actually, generally, advise on food for a person.
And this being said, less fatty foods, exercise and 3 shags ...[text shortened]... mble opinion, should be forced to supplement policy or be nationalized. A fair choice on their part.
Forced.

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@vivify said

Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?
A very good question.
I'm surprised that this hasn't been discussed here before.

In fact I can't ever remember hearing this discussed anywhere!

After the first trimester my wife sometimes had a single glass of wine on a Sunday.
It's a question of acceptable risk.

How much (if any) fish should a woman be allowed?
How much deli food or mayonnaise?

Very difficult to legislate for - education is probably a better course of action.

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@athousandyoung said
Only if you are willing to define a fetus as a person with natural rights. That's a big can of worms to open!
Surely we don't need to give the fetus rights?
Could an adult with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome sue their mother?
Or sue the bar that sold her the booze?


@joe-shmo said
What a vacuous human being that must be. One would hope she'll die in child birth.
Wicked is a word I use sparingly but it is apt for your wishes towards this woman.

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@wolfgang59 said
Wicked is a word I use sparingly but it is apt for your wishes towards this woman.
Well, my stance is aimed toward a woman that believes (as Zahlanzi ) that since its ok to abort a child its ok to to intentionally brain damage it as well by abusing drugs, alchohol, etc... I don't wish that fate on a woman that has a responsible drink or so. So long as though they are not actively seeking intoxication, have at it.


If one girds at watching a pregnant woman drink alcohol, I would urge you not
to watch an abortion take place.


@earl-of-trumps said
If one girds at watching a pregnant woman drink alcohol, I would urge you not
to watch an abortion take place.
Earl, you sending libs to bed tonight thinking about what an abortion looks like? Cruel indeed. They never think about that. They never will. They never will. It is not convenient. But who am I to say.......


@averagejoe1 said
Earl, you sending libs to bed tonight thinking about what an abortion looks like? Cruel indeed. They never think about that. They never will. They never will. It is not convenient. But who am I to say.......
Especially since you've never seen one... and neither has Dr. Earl.