30 Jul 20
https://tinyurl.com/Alcohol-Facts
The article discusses the following case, cited from the New York Times:
A recent case in New York where a pregnant lady who was refused alcohol pursued litigation has stirred controversy regarding pregnant women who wish to drink alcohol or abuse other substances. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued guidelines stating that any individual who refused to serve alcohol to a pregnant woman in a public venue is practicing sex discrimination. This case produced some significant controversy across the country.
According to state and federal statutes, anyone treating a person in a poorer manner than others because of their pregnant state or because they are perceived to be pregnant is displaying a form of discrimination.
Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?
30 Jul 20
@vivify saidI believe there is the other side what about affects it may have on the unborn child?
https://tinyurl.com/Alcohol-Facts
The article discusses the following case, cited from the New York Times:
A recent case in New York where a pregnant lady who was refused alcohol pursued litigation has stirred controversy regarding pregnant women who wish to drink alcohol or abuse other substances. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued guidelines sta ...[text shortened]... tion.
Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?
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30 Jul 20
@vivify saidMy poor children...what have I done bringing them here.
https://tinyurl.com/Alcohol-Facts
The article discusses the following case, cited from the New York Times:
A recent case in New York where a pregnant lady who was refused alcohol pursued litigation has stirred controversy regarding pregnant women who wish to drink alcohol or abuse other substances. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued guidelines sta ...[text shortened]... tion.
Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?
30 Jul 20
@very-rusty saidThat's the whole point. If alcohol only affected the mother and not the unborn, this wouldn't be an issue.
I believe there is the other side what about affects it may have on the unborn child?
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30 Jul 20
@vivify saidno.
https://tinyurl.com/Alcohol-Facts
The article discusses the following case, cited from the New York Times:
A recent case in New York where a pregnant lady who was refused alcohol pursued litigation has stirred controversy regarding pregnant women who wish to drink alcohol or abuse other substances. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued guidelines sta ...[text shortened]... tion.
Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?
i advocate pro choice. I have decided i have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, regardless if pregnant or not.
It would be hypocritical to ask for women to have the right to terminate her pregnancy but tell her she can't smoke or drink.
@zahlanzi saidI on the other hand don't believe she should take anything that would be harmful to her unborn child!
no.
i advocate pro choice. I have decided i have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, regardless if pregnant or not.
It would be hypocritical to ask for women to have the right to terminate her pregnancy but tell her she can't smoke or drink.
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A side note:
Riddle me this? Restaurants and bars provide a service and they are usually considered public in the legal sense because they invite in the public. However, social media platforms like "Facebook" also invite in the public to use the service, yet is considered private in a legal sense. Thus, they are free to sensor opinions, choosing who they will serve based on the court of public opinion or there own personal preference. How are they different?
On the topic specifically:
A pregnant women drinking heavily in public (or private) while carrying a child is appalling in my opinion. I think most sane people agree.
30 Jul 20
@zahlanzi saidThat's a completely different issue. Terminating a pregnancy isn't the same as potentially giving birth to a child with physical problems that could last it's entire life.
no.
i advocate pro choice. I have decided i have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, regardless if pregnant or not.
It would be hypocritical to ask for women to have the right to terminate her pregnancy but tell her she can't smoke or drink.
A woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy; does that mean she also has the right cause her child to have birth defects?
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@zahlanzi said↑↑↑
no.
i advocate pro choice. I have decided i have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body, regardless if pregnant or not.
It would be hypocritical to ask for women to have the right to terminate her pregnancy but tell her she can't smoke or drink.
Clear evidence of the negative cognitive effects associated with drinking heavily while pregnant perhaps right here
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30 Jul 20
@very-rusty saidBy that you mean there should be a law against it? Or just that she shouldn't.
I on the other hand don't believe she should take anything that would be harmful to her unborn child!
-VR
And follow up, are you pro choice?
30 Jul 20
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@vivify saidNope, they both hinge on the woman's sovereignty over her body. If she has the right to terminate her pregnancy she has the right to anything that would be legal to a man or non-pregnant woman
That's a completely different issue. Terminating a pregnancy isn't the same as potentially giving birth to a child with physical problems that could last it's entire life.
A woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy; does that mean she also has the right cause her child to have birth defects?
"A woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy; does that mean she also has the right cause her child to have birth defects?"
So intentionally and irreversibly terminating a faetus is ok, having some alcohol that might or might not result in birth defects is not? 😀 Is that what you're saying? How much alcohol is it too much? What other activities would you like to forbid pregnant women? Smoking? How about being out of the house, she might come in contact with smokers? For that matter, should smokers be put in jail if she decides to stay in a smoking area? Should she be put in jail for doing that? Raw eggs are bad for pregnant women (they are advised to avoid them), should a woman be fined or put in jail for eating hollandaise sauce? Organ meat may cause vitamin A toxicity.
There is a kilometer long list of things a woman should avoid during pregnancy, would you like to make a law on each of them? All of them?
30 Jul 20
@vivify saidThe drinking advice in the UK is that pregnant women should avoid drinking more than one glass of wine a week (this is from memory, I can't remember the exact guidance). Since the restaurant had no way of knowing that she was not abiding by this then even if it were permissible for them to enforce pregnancy drinking quotas they shouldn't be refusing her the first glass.
https://tinyurl.com/Alcohol-Facts
The article discusses the following case, cited from the New York Times:
A recent case in New York where a pregnant lady who was refused alcohol pursued litigation has stirred controversy regarding pregnant women who wish to drink alcohol or abuse other substances. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued guidelines sta ...[text shortened]... tion.
Should it be legal for bars or restaurants to deny serving pregnant women alcohol?