Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardThe issue in Ireland wasn't so much the other clients in pubs, it was the staff.
people shoud be free to do whatever they want as long as it does not harm others. So since smoking also affect other people who inhale the smoke. It shoud be banned when done with non smokers around. When a smokers is on his own or around fellow smokers who want to smoke themselves to dead he is free to smoke all he wants.
No member of staff should have to work in an unhealthy work environment, which is exactly what was going on pre-ban.
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Originally posted by Ragnoraksince hiring a smoking staff would be discriminating. Wouldn't it be fair to ban it in that bar...of even better we could make smoking bars and non smoking bars...just like with gay bars and strait bars.
The issue in Ireland wasn't so much the other clients in pubs, it was the staff.
No member of staff should have to work in an unhealthy work environment, which is exactly what was going on pre-ban.
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Yep, should be.
My only concern is that the streets will be littered with sigarete butts. In London its a national pasttime to smoke whilst walking as you can't do it when at work. You can hardly walk around anywhere without someone atleast smoking near you.
Either way it should be banned purely based on people working in bars/restaurants. One night in a pub is bad enough, but 5 night a week will seriously kill you. Probably worst to work in a busy bar than actually smoking yourself.
Secondly it will stop those freaking annoying 15 year olds pushing their babies around and smoking near them, but perhaps it will only cause them NOT to walk their babies and instead smoke in the house 🙁
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Originally posted by shavixmirHey Joe,
Here's a wee read to start the discussion off:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4016447.stm
I'm not sure what my opinion on the matter is at the moment. However, I'm very inclined to think that if my government banned drinking, I'd get drunk every night out of spite. That's probably just me though.
No... but banning should be smoked.😠😵🙄
Originally posted by pcaspianAgain, and I can only speak from my own experience of a smoking ban, every bar was required by law to have an ashtray (large upright self standing type) outside the front.
Yep, should be.
My only concern is that the streets will be littered with sigarete butts.
Also, the laws on littering were tightened to include on the spot fines for dropping cigarette butts.
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Originally posted by shavixmirMaybe some middle ground should be met
Here's a wee read to start the discussion off:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4016447.stm
I'm not sure what my opinion on the matter is at the moment. However, I'm very inclined to think that if my government banned drinking, I'd get drunk every night out of spite. That's probably just me though.
Smoking in resteraunts definately should be banned (coming from a smoker)
Forcing people onto the streets for a cigerette in busy town centres I see as a potential hazard to passers by (large roudy group etc)
Maybe pubs should be made to have smoking and non smoking sections and to definately all have quality air conditioning to lessen the risk of passive smoking, but then again maybe im just being selfish to porlong my nasty habit
I've given the matter some thought.
Lots of people die in road accidents. They don't ban cars.
Lots of people die in wars. They've not banned weapons.
Lots of people die due to their diets. Are we seriously going to ban fast food? Or rice-only diets in third world nations (Okay...this last wee point would get my blessing).
Nope. I don't know where this is going either, but I have a nagging feeling that banning smoking, but not banning the other things mentioned, is a little hypocritical.
"You're not allowed to smoke in the pub, but you can fly an F16 and bomb little yellow people in another country."
See? Somebody set me straight!
The wearing of seatbelts is compulsary in Britain - I got fined recently so that is a bit of a sore point with me! The arguments for this law as far as I can see are :
1. It protects us from our own dangerous choices
2. It saves the Health Service (and therefore taxpayers) from unecessary expense.
3. It protects children who are not old enough to make a reasoned choice.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you make the same arguments to justify a ban on smoking?
I certainly don't want to sit in public and be engulfed by the filth blown over me by smokers. Obviously smoking will not be outlawed because of the tax revenue it generates (the offsetting saving to the NHS is too theoretical and longer term to be considered by politicians). However, banning it in public places is a good start.
Yes of course smoking in public, enclosed spaces should be banned.
I used to smoke, and I could never understand the uptight, prissy non-smokers who would whinge about it. I look back at my younger self with a sense of wonder, at how selfish and inconsiderate I was. I guess a part of addiction is the automatic discounting of rational argument.
Obviously, once I stopped smoking I regained my powers of objective reasoning along with my sense of smell. I tend not to go to pubs very often now, because I hate smelling like some filthy old tramp on the way home, and not being able to put my coat in the wardrobe until it has aired out.
I also like being able to enjoy a meal without breathing in tobacco smoke.
It's not too much to ask, is it?