@rajk999 saidObviously you have never experienced an out of control classroom where students are lucky if they get exposed to half of the material they should be taught.
Good parenting is the answer. Good parents trump out of control kids. Good parents have control over their kids. Teachers have greater influence over kids only when the parents are weak
Out of control students prevent education from taking place.
Let's see if you are educated enough to understand what I wrote.
@AverageJoe1 IF we succeed in getting socialism, though, everyone will be the same, which begs the question......Will we all be like Chicago , or will they be like us?
@averagejoe1 saidI agree. The decline of the church is one cause of bad family life. You cannot blame the government for that. This is people choosing the path of least resistance, seeking after easy money, fame and abandoning values taught in the bible. The churches are also to blame, as many church leaders are no longer good role models and are themselves corrupt and evil.
That is correct. Another question, regarding why in the heck this happens, I guess would be for another thread. Another answer could have been 'See Chicago'. See my 4th post on page 2 about doing a good job instead of a bad job....of living. You would think it would be a no-brainer. A lot is taught simply in a church, but if they CHOOSE not to go, you thus see an exam ...[text shortened]... amilies, and start backing up?!?!?
Enter Marauder, et al, who want government control big time.
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@averagejoe1 saidI'm sure you lack the self-introspection skills to see the irony of someone proposing that teachers be forced to wear bodycams so the government could make sure they didn't teach unpleasant facts to children accusing someone else of wanting "government control big time."
That is correct. Another question, regarding why in the heck this happens, I guess would be for another thread. Another answer could have been 'See Chicago'. See my 4th post on page 2 about doing a good job instead of a bad job....of living. You would think it would be a no-brainer. A lot is taught simply in a church, but if they CHOOSE not to go, you thus see an exam ...[text shortened]... amilies, and start backing up?!?!?
Enter Marauder, et al, who want government control big time.
@eladar saidA simple solution would be to repeal compulsory education laws.
Obviously you have never experienced an out of control classroom where students are lucky if they get exposed to half of the material they should be taught.
Out of control students prevent education from taking place.
Let's see if you are educated enough to understand what I wrote.
@no1marauder saidBetter solution would be to allow the out of control kids to be trained in carpentry or some other useful skill.
A simple solution would be to repeal compulsory education laws.
@eladar saidThat's more of a "government control" solution, isn't it?
Better solution would be to allow the out of control kids to be trained in carpentry or some other useful skill.
Making kids who don't want to be there take something else they aren't interested in hardly seems a viable "solution" to me.
@no1marauder saidThey are in government schools.
That's more of a "government control" solution, isn't it?
Making kids who don't want to be there take something else they aren't interested in hardly seems a viable "solution" to me.
If not that option then create a special class for these special kids. It is no different than what education was like when you were a kid.
Two tracks...one track for adjusted kids who want to learn and another track for kids who are there because they are being forced to be there.
@no1marauder saidYou seem to make a point upon first glance, but as stated above, it is by its own nature controlled by government. The converse would be No government control (which we must include the city and the school board). Since that cannot happen, then govt must control it.
I'm sure you lack the self-introspection skills to see the irony of someone proposing that teachers be forced to wear bodycams so the government could make sure they didn't teach unpleasant facts to children accusing someone else of wanting "government control big time."
So, this is a case where schools, which are government-controlled, simply must be govt controlled, and you libs can use this fact in your promoting Socialism, by saying the kids are under socialism in the schools!! You scored points on that Marauder!
Anyway, to body cams. do you think the idea of wall cameras trained solely on the teachers is a good idea, so as to protect the minds of our children?
@AverageJoe1
Would you rather that they take a slavery class (or whatever libs call it), or a class in Civics? How about in Chicago? Same answer?
@averagejoe1 saidThe idea of public education is not, in fact, about government control. The role of the federal government in education is designed to be limited and indirect. This is explicitly laid out in the 10th amendment (if you'd like to read it). I realize, of course, that there have been layers and layers of bureaucracy built into these systems over time, but that is the goal.
You seem to make a point upon first glance, but as stated above, it is by its own nature controlled by government. The converse would be No government control (which we must include the city and the school board). Since that cannot happen, then govt must control it.
So, this is a case where schools, which are government-controlled, simply must be govt controlled ...[text shortened]... l cameras trained solely on the teachers is a good idea, so as to protect the minds of our children?
Now, with Republicans leading the charge for the government to monitor and dictate every single word uttered by every teacher in America, it seems the conservatives want to take regulation to a whole other level, which goes against the idea of "limited government" no? Unless, of course, limited government was never a goal in the first place for the ol' GOP.
Do you really think bodycams on teachers is going to end well? The left will have a field day.
@averagejoe1 saidNo I don't. IF children aren't happy with what teachers are teaching them, they can complain to their parents. There is no need for bodycams on teachers esp. when the purpose is to "protect" children from truths right wingers find unpleasant.
You seem to make a point upon first glance, but as stated above, it is by its own nature controlled by government. The converse would be No government control (which we must include the city and the school board). Since that cannot happen, then govt must control it.
So, this is a case where schools, which are government-controlled, simply must be govt controlled ...[text shortened]... l cameras trained solely on the teachers is a good idea, so as to protect the minds of our children?
By and large, US schools below the university level suck. They wind up being both too regimented and rigid and too unruly at the same time. Stop forcing kids who don't want to be there to be there and give the individual parents more control over their own kids rather than rely on enforced babysitters would be a good start.
@wildgrass said" it seems the conservatives want to take regulation to a whole other level,"
The idea of public education is not, in fact, about government control. The role of the federal government in education is designed to be limited and indirect. This is explicitly laid out in the 10th amendment (if you'd like to read it). I realize, of course, that there have been layers and layers of bureaucracy built into these systems over time, but that is the goal.
N ...[text shortened]... P.
Do you really think bodycams on teachers is going to end well? The left will have a field day.
LOL...nice try
conservatives want education to be the way it has been since the beginning.
Its you libs wanting to take it to another level
@no1marauder saidLOL...you cant be serious
No I don't. IF children aren't happy with what teachers are teaching them, they can complain to their parents. There is no need for bodycams on teachers esp. when the purpose is to "protect" children from truths right wingers find unpleasant.
By and large, US schools below the university level suck. They wind up being both too regimented and rigid and too unruly at the ...[text shortened]... nts more control over their own kids rather than rely on enforced babysitters would be a good start.
@mott-the-hoople saidYou mean no education? Maybe have children working in mining like they used to?
" it seems the conservatives want to take regulation to a whole other level,"
LOL...nice try
conservatives want education to be the way it has been since the beginning.
Its you libs wanting to take it to another level