Well, I’ve thought about it.
Hamas surely knew what Israel’s reaction would be. And there’s no way they can take on the Israeli army.
Hostages… would or could they be weaponised?
Well, you could tie bombs around them and send them on out. But taking out another couple of hundred Israelis is not gonna win them the war.
What if you made them ill? And used them as walking plague bearers?
Oh, I really need to drink more wine.
@shavixmir saidmost reasonable explanation is that they did it because they could, because they rely on propaganda "look, we're doing something"
Well, I’ve thought about it.
Hamas surely knew what Israel’s reaction would be. And there’s no way they can take on the Israeli army.
Hostages… would or could they be weaponised?
Well, you could tie bombs around them and send them on out. But taking out another couple of hundred Israelis is not gonna win them the war.
What if you made them ill? And used them as walking plague bearers?
Oh, I really need to drink more wine.
and israel does the bombing because they can. because there aren't any consequences
"And there’s no way they can take on the Israeli army."
they aren't
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@shavixmir saidHamas are geopolitical actors, they do not give a toss about the ordinary people of Gaza, they knew that the IDF would give them and their handlers what they wanted.
Well, I’ve thought about it.
Hamas surely knew what Israel’s reaction would be. And there’s no way they can take on the Israeli army.
Hostages… would or could they be weaponised?
Well, you could tie bombs around them and send them on out. But taking out another couple of hundred Israelis is not gonna win them the war.
What if you made them ill? And used them as walking plague bearers?
Oh, I really need to drink more wine.
An end to the proposed alliance between the US Israel and the Saudis and generally a more entrenched anti western / US stance in the region which is great news for its handler Iran and their allies China and Russia who will happily displace the US in the region. China has already started its diplomatic initiative the players in the region.
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@shavixmir saidThey ahve for sure, and it might be cynical to very cynical. (after all we do talk about terrorists)
Yes, yes. I know all that.
What's interesting is if they actually have thought out some sort of plan or other, this time.
Look for the big heads disappearing and reappearing. The foot soldiers, the civilians and the hostages will pay the price.
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@shavixmir saidNo I don’t think so, a massive over reaction from Israel was always the plan. Hamas is an Islamic extremism group that has latched on to the Palestinian struggle as a vehicle for their violent political movement
Yes, yes. I know all that.
What's interesting is if they actually have thought out some sort of plan or other, this time.
It’s also a godsend for the right wing extremists in Israel who can finally reshape Israel’s civil society and centralise power in a way that they were struggling to do before the Hamas atrocities
It’s an old story of violent extremists on opposite sides empowering each other in their host communities
Which may or may not explain why it took the Israeli authorities so long to react 🤔
@kevcvs57 saidTo quote a Taoist teacher: We shall see.
No I don’t think so, a massive over reaction from Israel was always the plan. Hamas is an Islamic extremism group that has latched on to the Palestinian struggle as a vehicle for their violent political movement
It’s also a godsend for the right wing extremists in Israel who can finally reshape Israel’s civil society and centralise power in a way that they were struggling ...[text shortened]... ’s an old story violent extremists on opposite sides empowering each other in their host communities
I can't help but think there's something everyone's missing.
@shavixmir saidI was missing the Israeli extremist angle until I read this article in the guardian about what’s been going on in Israel since oct 7th
To quote a Taoist teacher: We shall see.
I can't help but think there's something everyone's missing.
And t all makes a lot more sense of what looks like a stupidly blunt response by Israel. Netanyahu and his ultra right wing cronies get a long drawn out war during which only a traitor would dare to question a government power grab
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/22/an-atmosphere-of-fear-free-speech-under-threat-in-israel-activists-say?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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@shavixmir saidTrue and they love a conflict
Religious fanatics and right-wing die hards are always bad news for sanity. No matter which religion or economic model they masturbate to.
@shavixmir said" And there’s no way they can take on the Israeli army."
Well, I’ve thought about it.
Hamas surely knew what Israel’s reaction would be. And there’s no way they can take on the Israeli army.
Hostages… would or could they be weaponised?
Well, you could tie bombs around them and send them on out. But taking out another couple of hundred Israelis is not gonna win them the war.
What if you made them ill? And used them as walking plague bearers?
Oh, I really need to drink more wine.
That is only the case if Hamas invades Israel. Hamas has the home advantage if Israel invades Gaza. They dug tunnels sort of like they did in Vietnam so they can pop up like gophers behind the enemy and attack from behind. Iran and others armed them with what they need to do it.
Hamas and Hezbolluh are ready. It is a trap. Look what has happened already. The IDF dipped their toe into the ground war and nearly lost their toe. Hamas has the home turf advantage. It is a trap!
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hezbollah-risks-dragging-lebanon-war-which-will-be-mistake-its-life-netanyahu
@kevcvs57 saidYou are begging for a proxy war with Iran. Iran probably figures they need to fight Israel and the USA by proxy using Hamas and Hezbollah. You know, the familiar "we need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" logic we have all heard.
Hamas are geopolitical actors, they do not give a toss about the ordinary people of Gaza, they knew that the IDF would give them and their handlers what they wanted.
An end to the proposed alliance between the US Israel and the Saudis and generally a more entrenched anti western / US stance in the region which is great news for its handler Iran and their allies China and Ru ...[text shortened]... the US in the region. China has already started its diplomatic initiative the players in the region.
Hamas has laid a trap for the IDF and those suckers are going to take the bait.
There are booby traps waiting in every other building the IDF will want to enter. The IDF will feel like they are fighting well armed prairie dogs seemingly popping up out of nowhere. The IDF will be constantly guarding their rear.
@metal-brain saidDon’t be idiotic.
" And there’s no way they can take on the Israeli army."
That is only the case if Hamas invades Israel. Hamas has the home advantage if Israel invades Gaza. They dug tunnels sort of like they did in Vietnam so they can pop up like gophers behind the enemy and attack from behind. Iran and others armed them with what they need to do it.
Hamas and Hezbolluh are ready. ...[text shortened]... hedge.com/geopolitical/hezbollah-risks-dragging-lebanon-war-which-will-be-mistake-its-life-netanyahu
Vietnam is a massive jungle.
Gaza is very small. And not a jungle.
If the Israelis didn’t care about their own losses, they’d take Gaza within a day or two.
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@metal-brain saidThe IDF will just level any bldgs they do not like the look of
You are begging for a proxy war with Iran. Iran probably figures they need to fight Israel and the USA by proxy using Hamas and Hezbollah. You know, the familiar "we need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" logic we have all heard.
Hamas has laid a trap for the IDF and those suckers are going to take the bait.
There are booby traps waiting in ever ...[text shortened]... ed prairie dogs seemingly popping up out of nowhere. The IDF will be constantly guarding their rear.
In reality the dreaded tunnel system will be like Iraq’s fifth biggest military in the world boast, basically rudimentary in structure and not able to withstand the glancing attention from modern weaponry.
Israel has 100% air superiority so it won’t matter where the Hamas fighters pop up they will go down very quickly
I do not want the IDF to launch a full sale ground offensive but not because I worry about what will happen to the IDF. My guess would be that the majority of hamas have already left and certainly it’s leadership, waiting to return once the dust has settled over the corpses of Palestinian women and children
Israel has already fallen into the geopolitical trap laid by hamas and the west led y the U.S fell in behind them
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@shavixmir saidYeah, in Gaza they don't have to worry about jungle rains going into their tunnels. Gaza is a concentration camp. Highly populated. Twice the size of DC they say. If you double the population of DC how does it compare to Gaza?
Don’t be idiotic.
Vietnam is a massive jungle.
Gaza is very small. And not a jungle.
If the Israelis didn’t care about their own losses, they’d take Gaza within a day or two.
They have a lot of buildings the IDF will be afraid of going into there. This is different than Vietnam because this would be mostly urban warfare. Even worse for the IDF. What are they going to do, avoid going into buildings? Hamas can bomb a building when the IDF enter and come back later through an escape tunnel. Have you ever saw the movie Caddy Shack and the course maintenance guy was trying to kill a gopher with explosives? It will be like that.