Spain's Minister of Social Rights, Ione Belarra, has formally asked the EU to:
1) Suspend diplomatic relations with Israel.
2) Impose economic sanctions against Israel.
3) Impose an arms embargo on Israel.
4) To insist on an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and his military cabinet before the International Criminal Court.
She accuses Israel of occupying Palestinian lands and bombing civilians.
I absolutely agree with her.
Unfortunately, Israel is committing serious war crimes in the Gaza Strip - collective punishment and genocide.
Concerning Hamas - the European Union declared Hamas a terrorist organization. Moreover, the serious action of Hamas was conducted three weeks ago for a few days, but Irsael's brutal retaliation has continued for three weeks already.
https://x.com/ionebelarra/status/1717190578495017300?s=20
26 Oct 23
@eintaluj saidOh .. poor Israel... now they are doomed !!
Spain's Minister of Social Rights, Ione Belarra, has formally asked the EU to:
1) Suspend diplomatic relations with Israel.
2) Impose economic sanctions against Israel.
3) Impose an arms embargo on Israel.
4) To insist on an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and his military cabinet before the International Criminal Court.
She accuses Israel of occ ...[text shortened]... has continued for three weeks already.
https://x.com/ionebelarra/status/1717190578495017300?s=20
@rajk999 said😢
Oh .. poor Israel... now they are doomed !!
True enough. Spain hasn't been a major player in global politics since the Spanish Civil War and even then Spain was the battleground, not a great power.
Spain hasn't been in the driver's seat since the Habsburgs went extinct from inbreeding.
@athousandyoung saidSo its like my neighbour here down in the islands calling on the local govt rep to lobby for sanctions, arrest etc etc. Its a big joke...
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True enough. Spain hasn't been a major player in global politics since the Spanish Civil War and even then Spain was the battleground, not a great power.
Spain hasn't been in the driver's seat since the Habsburgs went extinct from inbreeding.
@eintaluj saidI agree with all four points but then I’m not a hypocrite and agreed with the same concerning Russia and it’s targeting of civilians and general war against a neighbour who did nothing to them at all, unlike you.
Spain's Minister of Social Rights, Ione Belarra, has formally asked the EU to:
1) Suspend diplomatic relations with Israel.
2) Impose economic sanctions against Israel.
3) Impose an arms embargo on Israel.
4) To insist on an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and his military cabinet before the International Criminal Court.
She accuses Israel of occ ...[text shortened]... has continued for three weeks already.
https://x.com/ionebelarra/status/1717190578495017300?s=20
However Hamas is a terrorist organisation that is committed to the destruction of Israel, Israel has the right to kill every last one of them as long as they can do that without slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians in the process.
@kevcvs57 saidThen why isn't Israel interested in doing surgical special operations to take out Hamas to minimize civilian deaths? They are bombing a bunch of residential buildings.
I agree with all four points but then I’m not a hypocrite and agreed with the same concerning Russia and it’s targeting of civilians and general war against a neighbour who did nothing to them at all, unlike you.
However Hamas is a terrorist organisation that is committed to the destruction of Israel, Israel has the right to kill every last one of them as long as they can do that without slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians in the process.
Seems to me Israel is trying to kill civilians so they will leave Gaza. Their excuse for killing civilians: At least we gave them a chance to leave. So if they don't leave they deserve to die. That is the Israeli justification. Leave or die. If you don't leave your deaths are on you. We want your land. Go to Egypt and stay there.
@metal-brain saidI’ve no idea what Israeli intentions are, but you keep ignoring the fact that Palestinians cannot leave Gaza even if they wanted to because Egypt will not allow them to.
Then why isn't Israel interested in doing surgical special operations to take out Hamas to minimize civilian deaths? They are bombing a bunch of residential buildings.
Seems to me Israel is trying to kill civilians so they will leave Gaza. Their excuse for killing civilians: At least we gave them a chance to leave. So if they don't leave they deserve to die. That is t ...[text shortened]... ve or die. If you don't leave your deaths are on you. We want your land. Go to Egypt and stay there.
The last thing the Egyptian state wants is an armed off shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood sitting in UN refugee camps in the Sinai desert
@kevcvs57 saidHamas has the villain advantage [ie they follow no rules of war], and fools who allow the villain to have that advantage can never win. Israel is right. The same rules they use against you are the same that are used against them. Actually Israel is not hiding their weapons and artillery behind civilians like the Hamas pussies.
However Hamas is a terrorist organisation that is committed to the destruction of Israel, Israel has the right to kill every last one of them as long as they can do that without slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians in the process.
27 Oct 23
@metal-brain said'Special surgical operations' ... lol . You mean like how Hamas is doing ?
Then why isn't Israel interested in doing surgical special operations to take out Hamas to minimize civilian deaths? They are bombing a bunch of residential buildings.
Seems to me Israel is trying to kill civilians so they will leave Gaza. Their excuse for killing civilians: At least we gave them a chance to leave. So if they don't leave they deserve to die. That is t ...[text shortened]... ve or die. If you don't leave your deaths are on you. We want your land. Go to Egypt and stay there.
@kevcvs57 saidDo you know of any country that would want to take over 2 million people all at once? Did the USA want to take the Jews in an exodus out of Nazi Germany? No! FDR said it was a national security threat and you can bet Egypt feels the same way.
I’ve no idea what Israeli intentions are, but you keep ignoring the fact that Palestinians cannot leave Gaza even if they wanted to because Egypt will not allow them to.
The last thing the Egyptian state wants is an armed off shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood sitting in UN refugee camps in the Sinai desert
Once they leave Israel will not allow them to return. Why don't you welcome them in your country?
@rajk999 saidGiven that Hamas did not kill nearly as many people as Israel is then yes, relatively speaking you could call it that. Or you could just admit Israel is targeting civilians and killing them in an attempt to make them leave. But not all of them want to leave. Do you know why? Because they will not be allowed to return and they know it.
'Special surgical operations' ... lol . You mean like how Hamas is doing ?
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/nakba.198110
28 Oct 23
@kevcvs57 saidAs a matter of fact, it is not true that Ukraine did nothing harmful to Russia or Russians.
I agree with all four points but then I’m not a hypocrite and agreed with the same concerning Russia and it’s targeting of civilians and general war against a neighbour who did nothing to them at all, unlike you.
However Hamas is a terrorist organisation that is committed to the destruction of Israel, Israel has the right to kill every last one of them as long as they can do that without slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians in the process.
Concerning targeting civilians, in the Ukraine war, both sides have committed war crimes.
However, concerning targeting civilians, I have to say that Israel, in the Gaza sector, is targeting civilians and killing civilians hundreds of times more than Russia in Ukraine.
I do not understand your phrase "unlike you". Who is the "you"?
I agree that Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorists, provided it is doing it proportionally.
However, I am incompetent to argue who is keeping the "just war" in the case of Israel/Palestine conflict.
@eintaluj saidYou mean like the IDF should sneak into a wedding or some event and shoot exactly 1398 people, [lets say] with the correct proportion of kids/adults. So someone needs to be counting .. " Hey Frank, shoot 6 more out of that group, 2 kids and 4 adults. Leave the other 5 alive, and lets get outta here .. "
I agree that Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorists, provided it is doing it proportionally.
It does not work like that. People like you who post such nonsense are clueless.
The aim of the Jews is not tit-for tat. It is eliminating the Hamas thread as much as possible. People are going to die. If it takes 50,000 civilian deaths to wipe out Hamas, then so be it.