Originally posted by mrstabbyBy that logic, we should run over our kids with cars in order that they learn that they could be run over by cars.
Anything that doesn't cause physical or psychological harm is fine. I'd wager that spankings are an important part in gaining the knowledge that "people might hit you".
Does that seem appropriate?
Originally posted by eatmybishopmaybe they ran in the road to end the abuse....that stuff in virginia with the school shooting started because they mentally abused that kid. with all the drugs they put kids on and all the piosons in the food(just read what that halloween candy is made out of,enough pioson in a bag of that crap to quaentine the town) no wonder the kids won't listen. but that is all part of the crooked governments plan. they know the foods are damaging the body and mind of these innocent children but it is OK because lucky for them they happen to have drugs to treat them...how convenient.
in the uk it's now okay to hit your child, as long as it doesnt cause bruising... so we can cause stab wounds, and break their little bones.. that's okay... but no bruising please.....
either it's not okay or it is, just wish the government would say either say...
just for the record, i think it is okay to spank your child... sorry.... but this is ...[text shortened]... t to, but from what i've heard, it's a million years away from a light spank round the legs
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Originally posted by amannionYou know what I mean. For example, someone that you meet may be mentally challenged. Would communicate with him the same way you would someone who is not mentally challenged? Are there not different capacities even though both should be treated with respect and dignity? In fact, is disciplining a violation of respect and dignity in general?
Yes, with respect and dignity.
Originally posted by amannionMy apologies. Didn't mean to imply that you termed it child abuse; I was referencing the first post in the thread - who asked whether or not it is.
Okay, firstly, I didn't use the term child abuse.
Secondly, I'm entirely against government from legislating in this area - I think it's entirely a matter for society and in particular, parents to determine what is right and wrong for their kids.
I would rather see better education about alternatives to smacking and encouragement of parents to use suc ...[text shortened]... big, powerful people to hit small, weak ones.
It doesn't take a smack to set boundaries.
I prefer to think of smacking as a last resort ... but one that will probably need to be used to establish the fact that it is there.
By no means am I advocating that people should go around with smacking hand poised and ever ready, but seeing firsthand how ineffective 'timeouts' and other such disciplinary techniques are, I sometimes shudder to think what some of the little ratbags are going to be like later in life ... especially as teachers have been pretty much stripped of any means to back up their authority, as well.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWith a car?
What if you only hit them in the butt?
Still likely to scar them - I got mown down by a car in Egypt - hit me in the butt from ... well, behind!
The car, thankfully, came to a halt millimetres away that which I hold most dear ... nowadays, I feel my nads crawl every time I see the pyramids. 🙂
Originally posted by amannionI think this is where a lot of parents end up -- myself included (and even including parents I have talked to in countries where hitting kids IS against the law!)
I'm against the notion of spanking children. Having said that though, I have smacked my own kids at times.
Kids are not small versions of adults. They don't have developed reasoning ability and sometimes refuse to show proper judgement or behave in antisocial ways. If there is something more effective than a smack to indicate extremely displeasure -- delivered on the spot so that it is clearly linked to the event -- I don't know what it is.
Some kids never need it (e.g. my sister 😠.) And there are creative alternatives -- smacks should NEVER be first line therapy as others have said.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungDo you think it is the state's right to allow spanking, what about
That's an arbritrary line and I am happy to accept any legal definitions of such. It's not something I often think about as California does not allow spanking students and I have no kids of my own.
forcing children to get shots against their parent's wishes, is that
abuse if a parent says I don't want my kids to get that shot? That
is more a black and white yes or no issue than spanking since some
spanking could be a slap on the butt more for the effect of doing it
verses trying to inflict pain and other spanking sending a child to
the hospital for the effect of inflicting pain.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYeah, I think the forced shots issue is a bit more clear cut. The notion there is public safety and I think it's right to expect that governments regulate for public safety.
Do you think it is the state's right to allow spanking, what about
forcing children to get shots against their parent's wishes, is that
abuse if a parent says I don't want my kids to get that shot? That
is more a black and white yes or no issue than spanking since some
spanking could be a slap on the butt more for the effect of doing it
verses trying t ...[text shortened]... and other spanking sending a child to
the hospital for the effect of inflicting pain.
Kelly
Originally posted by stoker...and what if the child refuses to go to their room... you have asked them, asked again.... told them.... told them again.... what does the parent do then?
spanking may have only a short affect. but it is the over use of it that is the problem. my own child only once got smacked, but she hated being sent to her room alone, did more than any spanking.