Bibi knew just what to say to string Donnie along.... Details about a phone call are slowly coming out.
Netanyahu had already decided to go to war anyway, with or without American military complicity. But he wanted America's military punching power as an additional asset. So, he told Trump what Trump cannot resist. According to a report on reuters, there was a phone call btw Trump and Netanyahu in which Netanyahu argued that "Trump could make history by helping eliminate an Iranian leadership long reviled by the West and by many Iranians."
Trump could make history... yup, it's as squalid & trivial as that. Flattery will get Trump to do anything.
Furthermore, Netanyahu fed Trump's vendetta mentality. Regime change was never going to be in Iran's interest--it was Trump settling a score, (intelligence reports indicate that Iran tried to assassinate Trump in retaliation for the killing of General Soleimani).
" the Central Intelligence Agency ... assessed in the weeks prior that Khamenei would likely be replaced by an internal hardliner if he were killed. ... Khamenei’s son Mojtaba, considered even more harshly anti-American than his father, has been named the new supreme leader of Iran."
Before you remove a tyrant, make sure that what comes after him is not worse.
Taking out Iran's missile capacity was an afterthought.
In 1956, PM Anthony Eden proposed to go to war against Egypt and asked then-U.S.-president Eisenhower for military support. Eisenhower declined. Lord Bevan made a speech in the House of Commons regarding Eden's proposed escapade, which is not less relevant today than it was then.
Quote Lord Bevan:
I have been looking through the various objectives and reasons that the government have given to the House of Commons for making war on Egypt, and it really is desirable that when a nation makes war upon another nation it should be quite clear why it does so. It should not keep changing the reasons as time goes on. There is, in fact, no correspondence whatsoever between the reasons given today and the reasons set out by the prime minister at the beginning. The reasons have changed all the time. I have got a list of them here, and for the sake of the record I propose to read it. I admit that I found some difficulty in organising a speech with any coherence because of the incoherence of the reasons. They are very varied.
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As to the objective of removing the risk to free passage through the [Suez] canal, I must confess that I have been astonished at this also. We sent an ultimatum to Egypt by which we told her that unless she agreed to our landing Ismailia, Suez and Port Said, we should make war upon her. We knew very well, did we not, that Nasser could not possibly comply? Did we really believe that Nasser was going to give in at once? Is our information from Egypt so bad that we did not know that an ultimatum of that sort was bound to consolidate his position in Egypt and in the whole Arab world? Did we really believe that Nasser was going to wait for us to arrive? He did what anybody would have thought he would do, and if the government did not think he would do it, on that account alone they ought to resign. He sank ships in the canal, the wicked man. The result is that the first objective realised was the opposite of the one we set out to achieve; the canal was blocked, and it is still blocked...
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I resent most bitterly this unconcern for the lives of innocent men and women. It may be that the dead in Port Said are 100, 200 or 300--or 165 at an Iranian girl's school. If it is only one, we had no business to take it. Do honourable members begin to realise how this is going to revolt the world when it passes into the imagination of men and women everywhere that we - with eight million here in London, the biggest single civilian target in the world, with our crowded island exposed, as no nation in the world is exposed, to the barbarism of modern weapons - we ourselves set the example. We ourselves conscript our boys and put guns and aeroplanes in their hands and say, "Bomb there." Really, this is so appalling that human language can hardly describe it. And for what?
The government resorted to epic weapons for squalid and trivial ends, and that is why, all through this unhappy period, ministers, all of them, have spoken and argued and debated well below their proper form - because they have been synthetic villains. They are not really villains. They have only set off on a villainous course, and they cannot even use the language of villainy.
Therefore, in conclusion, I say that it is no use honourable members consoling themselves that they have more support in the country than many of them feared they might have. Of course they have support in the country. They have support among many of the unthinking and unreflective who still react to traditional values, who still think that we can solve all these problems in the old ways. Of course they have. Not all the human race has grown to adult state yet. But do not let them take comfort in that thought.
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Would that Trump had Eisenhower's wisdom, not to get entangled in "squalid and trivial ends" for an acutely vulnerable junior partner....
sources:
Netanyahu-Trump phone call
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-approved-iran-operation-after-netanyahu-argued-joint-killing-khamenei-2026-03-23/
The killing of general Soleimani:
https://www.jagreporter.af.mil/Post/Article-View-Post/Article/2539536/the-killing-of-qassem-soleimani/
Lord Bevan's speech to the House of Commons:
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/may/03/greatspeeches2
@moonbus saidI am sure all of this bears merit, though I don't see why you find the phrase that Trump could make history to be inappropriate. He could, so you mean that Netanyahu is saying anything he can to appeal to Trump's personality and ego, to save his country....he has been working on it for decades. So, a good move by Netanyahu to achieve his forever goal.
Bibi knew just what to say to string Donnie along.... Details about a phone call are slowly coming out.
Netanyahu had already decided to go to war anyway, with or without American military complicity. But he wanted America's military punching power as an additional asset. So, he told Trump what Trump cannot resist. According to a report on reuters, there was a phone call b ...[text shortened]... peech to the House of Commons:
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/may/03/greatspeeches2
I will not understand why/how you guys defend Iran, defend illegals, all this faerie stuff.
@AverageJoe1 saidTrump doesn't want to become a great leader he just wants to be one, and that is just impossible.
I am sure all of this bears merit, though I don't see why you find the phrase that Trump could make history to be inappropriate. He could, so you mean that Netanyahu is saying anything he can to appeal to Trump's personality and ego, to save his country....he has been working on it for decades. So, a good move by Netanyahu to achieve his forever goal.
I will not understand why/how you guys defend Iran, defend illegals, all this faerie stuff.
@AverageJoe1 saidThey are leftists. They lean toward communism and socialism. They support these systems but never actually want to live in one. They live in capitalist states but continually condemn everything in capitalism. They support Islam and condemn Christianity, and do the same thing. They never actually want to live under Islam but enjoy the freedom in a Christian nation. In other words they are blatant hypocrites.
I will not understand why/how you guys defend Iran, defend illegals, all this faerie stuff.
@Rajk999 saidAnd you are evidently not able to see beyond a very simple black and white.
They are leftists. They lean toward communism and socialism. They support these systems but never actually want to live in one. They live in capitalist states but continually condemn everything in capitalism. They support Islam and condemn Christianity, and do the same thing. They never actually want to live under Islam but enjoy the freedom in a Christian nation. In other words they are blatant hypocrites.
@Ponderable saidAfter he achieves successes over the next months, ...........you will say the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha. Funny, isn't it. Curious indeed. And it will be ALL of you. Except maybe suzianne, she will say, well, Joe, you were right, gotta give you credit, but more credit to Trump.
Trump doesn't want to become a great leader he just wants to be one, and that is just impossible.
Hey, did he lie last week??? Said that without a deal in 48 hours, he would attack power plants. He didn't!!!! Was it diplomacy, or does that qualify as a lie?.
But wait, he changed his tack by saying, ok, , you have 5 days. I still think that the 48 hour lie was a. lie.
@Rajk999 saidA perfect summary. It iwill make some of them realize themselves ( 🤔 ) and come around.
They are leftists. They lean toward communism and socialism. They support these systems but never actually want to live in one. They live in capitalist states but continually condemn everything in capitalism. They support Islam and condemn Christianity, and do the same thing. They never actually want to live under Islam but enjoy the freedom in a Christian nation. In other words they are blatant hypocrites.
@Ponderable saidAnd you evidently cannot explain yourself. Do you see how I explained what I was thinking in words so that even you can understand? Try it.... explain what you mean by .. you are evidently not able to see beyond a very simple black and white.
And you are evidently not able to see beyond a very simple black and white.
@Ponderable saidTrump does not appear to want to become a 'great leader', as defined by some of you people. For you [judging from your posts], a great leader is one that is eloquent and charismatic. Trump seems to be more interested in solving problems. For people like me, that is what a great leader does.
Trump doesn't want to become a great leader he just wants to be one, and that is just impossible.
@Rajk999 saidWhat is interesting about this liberal's post is that he, like all of them, just say flat out that something is in black and white. This was his post.
Trump does not appear to want to become a 'great leader', as defined by some of you people. For you [judging from your posts], a great leader is one that is eloquent and charismatic. Trump seems to be more interested in solving problems. For people like me, that is what a great leader does.
""Trump doesn't want to become a great leader he just wants to be one, and that is just impossible."
He states 2 opinions, sugggesting tht they are fact......he says it is impossible, which is his opinion. So , from the get-go one is expected to respond to such statement. A very difficult posting I gotta say. Are we supposed to write back that it IS posssible?? Wow what a great issue. Ponderable is ON IT!!!!
@Rajk999 saidIf he would be interetsed in solving problems he would not try to dicatet his solution, but find out, what s solution is, that can withstad the test of time. So that is acceptable for all partners.
Trump does not appear to want to become a 'great leader', as defined by some of you people. For you [judging from your posts], a great leader is one that is eloquent and charismatic. Trump seems to be more interested in solving problems. For people like me, that is what a great leader does.
@Ponderable saidYou have a spell checker? Use it and try again. Thanks.
If he would be interetsed in solving problems he would not try to dicatet his solution, but find out, what s solution is, that can withstad the test of time. So that is acceptable for all partners.
Anyway, after I decode what you are trying to say and correct the spelling, you are talking total and complete rubbish. Are you like 10 years old? When you are dealing with rogue politicians and criminals like Maduro and Ayatollah Khamanei, and with drug cartels in South America, there is no such thing as a solution that will be acceptable to them. These animals in human form have to be killed, along with all their supporters, because they will rise again. That is how you get a solution that can withstand the test of time. You dont negotiate with rogues, criminals and terrorists.
To be honest, I dont think you have a clue what you wrote.
@Rajk999 saidHe speaks more languages than you.
You have a spell checker? Use it and try again. Thanks.
Anyway, after I decode what you are trying to say and correct the spelling, you are talking total and complete rubbish. Are you like 10 years old? When you are dealing with rogue politicians and criminals like Maduro and Ayatollah Khamanei, and with drug cartels in South America, there is no such thing as a soluti ...[text shortened]... with rogues, criminals and terrorists.
To be honest, I dont think you have a clue what you wrote.
And you're the one who thinks these people should be killed.
Good job, Heinrich Himmler. Does T&T have a Schutzstaffel?
@Rajk999 saidThanks for the extra dose of hypocrisy, Mr. Fascist "Christian".
They are leftists. They lean toward communism and socialism. They support these systems but never actually want to live in one. They live in capitalist states but continually condemn everything in capitalism. They support Islam and condemn Christianity, and do the same thing. They never actually want to live under Islam but enjoy the freedom in a Christian nation. In other words they are blatant hypocrites.
@Rajk999 saidSo now bullying and threats and fearmongering is the same as "eloquent and charismatic."
Trump does not appear to want to become a 'great leader', as defined by some of you people. For you [judging from your posts], a great leader is one that is eloquent and charismatic. Trump seems to be more interested in solving problems. For people like me, that is what a great leader does.
Was Hitler a "great leader"?
How about Himmler? He solved a lot of Hitler's "problems".
This is what Trumpublicans do. Attack the style, not the substance.