22 Feb 05
God told us the earth was round 1600 years before man figured it out:
40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. 40:20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved. 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: 40:23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. 40:24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble. 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. 40:27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
Book of Isaiah
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusIsaiah
God told us the earth was round 1600 years before man figured it out:
40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. 40:20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not ...[text shortened]... ael, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
Book of Isaiah
11:12, 'he...shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.'
You cant have it both ways now can you.............
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusAlso a circle is still flat my friend had Isaiah said globe or sphere that would be different :0)
God told us the earth was round 1600 years before man figured it out:
40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. 40:20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not ...[text shortened]... ael, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
Book of Isaiah
22 Feb 05
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Originally posted by DarfiusWell where's that giant guy that is "sitteth" on us and how come we can't see that tent that's "spreadeth out" into the heavens?
God told us the earth was round 1600 years before man figured it out:
40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with g ...[text shortened]... RD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
Book of Isaiah
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by timebombtedFour corners of the earth OBVIOUSLY mean North, South, East and West.
Isaiah
11:12, 'he...shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.'
You cant have it both ways now can you.............
And since God didn't tell Isaiah verbatim, but instead put the images into his head, I would think circle would do, since the word sphere wouldn't be created for at least 1600 more years. 🙂
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by timebombtedWith God all things are possible; let's just say the Bible says the Earth is a circular square and leave it at that.
Isaiah
11:12, 'he...shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.'
You cant have it both ways now can you.............
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusHow do you know the translator got it right-remember the camel through the eye of the needle fracas?
God told us the earth was round 1600 years before man figured it out:
40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. 40:20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not ...[text shortened]... ael, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
Book of Isaiah
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusFor a Literalist, you sure do make up a whole lot of interpretations that ain't in the text, Doofius.
Four corners of the earth OBVIOUSLY mean North, South, East and West.
And since God didn't tell Isaiah verbatim, but instead put the images into his head, I would think circle would do, since the word sphere wouldn't be created for at least 1600 more years. 🙂
22 Feb 05
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Originally posted by DarfiusUhm, no, 'cirlce' will not do, because 'circle' has a very specific definition which does not describe the shape of the earth. Could he not have chosen 'closed ball' (which describes the earth perfectly)? Or maybe, in his timelessness, god could have just told Isaiah what 'sphere' means, because surely he knows what words will be used 1600 years hence?
Four corners of the earth OBVIOUSLY mean North, South, East and West.
And since God didn't tell Isaiah verbatim, but instead put the images into his head, I would think circle would do, since the word sphere wouldn't be created for at least 1600 more years. 🙂
NB 'Sphere' does not describe the erath, because the earth is solid.
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by no1marauderI take that which is clearly literal literally and that which is clearly the prophet trying to make words for that which didn't HAVE words back then as figurative.
For a Literalist, you sure do make up a whole lot of interpretations that ain't in the text, Doofius.
For instance, the prophets who saw the end times, like Daniel and John, described tanks and helicopters as lions and locusts and nuclear weapons as stars falling from the sky and polluting the waters.
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by royalchickenwhat about the people who read it before those 1600 years were through? They wouldn't know what sphere meant.
Uhm, no, 'cirlce' will not do, because 'circle' has a very specific definition which does not describe the shape of the earth. Could he not have chosen 'ball' (which describes the earth except for it's absolute surface)? Or maybe, in his timelessness, god could have just told Isaiah what 'sphere' means, because surely he knows what words will be used 1600 years hence?
Circle is just fine, you people just don't want to pay up for your sins.
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusMatt. 4:8 which says, 'Again, the devil taketh Jesus up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world.
Four corners of the earth OBVIOUSLY mean North, South, East and West.
And since God didn't tell Isaiah verbatim, but instead put the images into his head, I would think circle would do, since the word sphere wouldn't be created for at least 1600 more years. 🙂
More inconsistencies numb n@@S, how can oneth see alleth from oneth point if they believed the world to be a globeth. Taking things literally of course as you seen to what us to doeth.
22 Feb 05
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Originally posted by DarfiusLeave it to literalists to rely on the King James for information...
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth...
The word 'circle' is translated alternately as 'arch' or 'vault.' The
Jews believed that there was a firmament in between the
Heavens and the earth -- a physical barrier. The earth was flat
with a dome above it (like those shake-em-up snow things you
get on vacation). This firmament had little floodgates in them
through which the Flood waters poured (it's mentioned in Genesis
somewhere...).
So, Darfius, the text is not saying 'the globe of the earth,' but
the 'dome of the firmament.' Cliff Landin is taking things out
of context and you are annoyed at him for it (and rightfully so),
but I'm not going to let you play the same game.
Nemesio
22 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusWould have been better if they were Tiger tanks.
I take that which is clearly literal literally and that which is clearly the prophet trying to make words for that which didn't HAVE words back then as figurative.
For instance, the prophets who saw the end times, like Daniel and John, described tanks and helicopters as lions and locusts and nuclear weapons as stars falling from the sky and polluting the waters.