Originally posted by royalchicken
Uhm, no, 'cirlce' will not do, because 'circle' has a very specific definition which does not describe the shape of the earth. Could he not have chosen 'closed ball' (which describes the earth perfectly)? Or maybe, in his timelessness, god could have just told Isaiah what 'sphere' means, because surely he knows what words will be used 1600 years hence?
NB 'Sphere' does not describe the erath, because the earth is solid.
......... "cirlce" certainly won't do, RC ..... 😛
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Originally posted by DarfiusCircle is not fine. A circle is the set of points in a plane equidistant from a given point. The bottom of Death Valley and the top of Mt. Everest are both on earth, but not equidistant from the centre of the earth. In fact, those two points, together with our respective current locations are four points, part of the earth, and neither equidistant from the earth's centre nor coplanar. The earth thus violates every part of the definition of circle.
what about the people who read it before those 1600 years were through? They wouldn't know what sphere meant.
Circle is just fine, you people just don't want to pay up for your sins.
Originally posted by NemesioPlease back this up with some kind of source...
Leave it to literalists to rely on the King James for information...
The word 'circle' is translated alternately as 'arch' or 'vault.' The
Jews believed that there was a firmament in between the
Heavens and the earth -- a physical barrier. The earth was flat
with a dome above it (like those shake-em-up snow things you
get on vacation). This ...[text shortened]... at him for it (and rightfully so),
but I'm not going to let you play the same game.
Nemesio
WOW. A lot of people are arguing what 'circle' meant as
a shape when that isn't even the most logical understanding
of the Hebrew word.
This is a lesson for literalists: learn Hebrew and Greek before
you start claiming ridiculous stuff. Everyone responding to you
is assuming you know what you are talking about, using the
word 'circle' when the fact is it is a confusing translation of the
original.
This is a lesson for nonliteralists: don't trust literalists that
don't know Hebrew and Greek. You just end up wasting your
time.
...
Hell! WHAT AM I DOING?! I am wasting my time with someone
who thinks the dinosaurs were on the Ark!
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioUhm, Nemesio, I'm taking the piss out of Darfius, not claiming that my arguments are serious.
WOW. A lot of people are arguing what 'circle' meant as
a shape when that isn't even the most logical understanding
of the Hebrew word.
This is a lesson for literalists: learn Hebrew and Greek before
you start claiming ridiculous stuff. Everyone responding to you
is assuming you know what you are talking about, using the
word 'circle' when ...[text shortened]... DOING?! I am wasting my time with someone
who thinks the dinosaurs were on the Ark!
Nemesio
Originally posted by DarfiusHEBREW.
Please back this up with some kind of source...
If you read and understand Hebrew, and you understand
Jewish history and the way they described their world
(floodgates, firmament, &c, all Biblical), you will
understand that God wasn't 'tipping his hand' and calling
the earth a 'circle' (clever God that He is). You will
understand that Isaiah was imagining God on His side
of the firmament looking down at the dome of the firmament
on the flat land of the earth.
Arch = Basic English Version
Vault = New American Bible
Don't take my word for it. Learn the Hebrew language and
history.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioThanks for not showing us a source.
WOW. A lot of people are arguing what 'circle' meant as
a shape when that isn't even the most logical understanding
of the Hebrew word.
This is a lesson for literalists: learn Hebrew and Greek before
you start claiming ridiculous stuff. Everyone responding to you
is assuming you know what you are talking about, using the
word 'circle' when ...[text shortened]... DOING?! I am wasting my time with someone
who thinks the dinosaurs were on the Ark!
Nemesio
I think I've pinpointed you now. You're one of those liberal Catholics who think the Bible is only good for the stories and moral lessons it can teach mankind.
Woe unto you on that terrible day of the Lord. He says He would rather you be cold or hot for Him, but He shall spew out the lukewarm.
Originally posted by NemesioYou are right. At what point does what we are doing here become like going down to Bedlam for cheap thrills?
WOW. A lot of people are arguing what 'circle' meant as
a shape when that isn't even the most logical understanding
of the Hebrew word.
This is a lesson for literalists: learn Hebrew and Greek before
you start claiming ridiculous stuff. Everyone responding to you
is assuming you know what you are talking about, using the
word 'circle' when ...[text shortened]... DOING?! I am wasting my time with someone
who thinks the dinosaurs were on the Ark!
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioSo you read and understand Hebrew, or are you taking the word of the liberal Bible translations?
HEBREW.
If you read and understand Hebrew, and you understand
Jewish history and the way they described their world
(floodgates, firmament, &c, all Biblical), you will
understand that God wasn't 'tipping his hand' and calling
the earth a 'circle' (clever God that He is). You will
understand that Isaiah was imagining God on His side
of the fir ...[text shortened]... merican Bible
Don't take my word for it. Learn the Hebrew language and
history.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioI though he was "sitteth" on the firmament, not on his side. Have we caught you in a Biblical contradiction, Nemesio?
HEBREW.
If you read and understand Hebrew, and you understand
Jewish history and the way they described their world
(floodgates, firmament, &c, all Biblical), you will
understand that God wasn't 'tipping his hand' and calling
the earth a 'circle' (clever God that He is). You will
understand that Isaiah was imagining God on His side
of the fir ...[text shortened]... merican Bible
Don't take my word for it. Learn the Hebrew language and
history.
Nemesio