The LIBERAL Media

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
It has nothing to do with this thread, but the existence of religion does show people don't like to hear the truth.

the truth according to kazetnagorra, the guy who thinks government-owned tv won't be biased?

laughable.

Originally posted by generalissimo
the truth according to kazetnagorra, the guy who thinks government-owned tv won't be biased?

laughable.

Where did I say such a thing?

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
I think it's more than just CNN that is doing that too.

Part of the problem is they also simply ask the Democrat or Republican they're talking to the opposing party's talking point and pretend that's a "good question" without researching or actually pretending to validate the claim first.

If a republican or democrat makes a claim that is a lie the ...[text shortened]... ust get two spinners to try and philibuster a discussion and see who can do it best.

I refer to this dualing spin-meister approach as the "fair and balanced" approach (NOT to be confused with the Fox slogan). No need to worry about finding the truth as long as the coverage is "fair and balanced".

The irony is that comedians and satirists like John Stewart actually do a much better job at producing serious news. Part of what makes them funny is being able to expose or at least hint at what's really going on. Even someone as biased as Rush Limbaugh does a better job at finding the truth than most of the CNN swill.

Originally posted by utherpendragon
This is from judge Napolitano a contibutor to Fox News and actually sits in for Glen Beck. It seems he is being groomed for his own show on Fox not unlike Gov. Huckabee.
Speaking on the Patriot Act,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRSs6LsGeI

Let the record show the best example he could provide

A: Was NOT something from fox news

B: Is NOT even a foxnews employee.

Keep digging. Find me an editorial from the Liberal perspective that is critical of Bush. Here let me help you.

www.foxnews.com

They even have a search feature. On CNN.com I was able to find an opinion piece calling Obama a "flip flopper" on the front of CNN's political section.

Originally posted by Melanerpes
The irony is that comedians and satirists like John Stewart actually do a much better job at producing serious news. Part of what makes them funny is being able to expose or at least hint at what's really going on. Even someone as biased as Rush Limbaugh does a better job at finding the truth than most of the CNN swill.

Definitely. John Stewart does a masterful job of making a point using irony and probably does the best interviews these days.

No matter how much he disagrees with the person he's interviewing, he does give them their opportunity to talk and make their point and he challenges them.

Place in EU 'to cost UK 60% more'
Flags outside the European Parliament
The UK contributed £4.1bn to the EU budget in 2009/10

The UK's net contribution to the European Union will rise by almost 60% next year, the Treasury has said.

The cost of membership will rise to £6.4bn - equivalent to about £260 per UK household - from £4.1bn in 2009/10.

The Treasury said it was right for the UK "to share the burden of membership with new accession countries".

But the Tories say the rising bill is evidence of "Labour's incompetence" in the midst of a recession. In 2004, the figure was £53 per household.

Rebate

The BBC's Chris Mason said ministers knew the bill was coming, but perhaps had not anticipated just how severe the economic downturn would be when it arrived.

A spokesman for the Treasury said the increase had been fully and openly discussed in Parliament.

"The prime minister has made clear our belief is that it is right for us to share the burden of membership of the European Union with the new accession countries so that every part of the European Union can look forward to prosperity in the future," he added.

In 1984, then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher secured a refund - or rebate - for the UK on a part of its contribution to the EU budget.

It was worth about £3bn a year and was designed to make up for difference between what the UK paid in and what it got back.

The main reason for this discrepancy was that the UK had relatively few farms, so it got a small share of farm subsidies, which at the time made up 70% of budget expenditure.

But in 2005, under pressure from new, poorer EU member states from Eastern Europe, Tony Blair renegotiated the rebate - resulting in it being cut by about 20%.

That was the equivalent of about £7bn between 2007 and 2013.

The Conservatives say this latest increase in the UK's contribution proves that successive Labour governments have given away far too much to Europe.

Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury Philip Hammond said: "The consequences of Labour's rebate sell-out are becoming clear.

"Gordon Brown and Tony Blair signed billions of pounds of our money away.

"At a time when our economy is in recession and public service budgets are under pressure, Labour's incompetence is allowing billions of pounds to be siphoned off to Brussels."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8219344.stm

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It's super clear that the BBC would never publish something bad about the government since they are funded by it.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
Definitely. John Stewart does a masterful job of making a point using irony and probably does the best interviews these days.

No matter how much he disagrees with the person he's interviewing, he does give them their opportunity to talk and make their point and he challenges them.

yes, but he does edit videos without giving people the full context.

Originally posted by generalissimo
yes, but he does edit videos without giving people the full context.

I've recently seen clips O'Reilly complaining that he took a clip out of context and his complaint was pretty weak frankly.

A couple times where he has been called on supposedly being taking clips out of context I have seen him clarify or correct himself though - which is more than I can say for some.

Of course, if the only complaint people have against him is that he every once in a while uses a clip out of context then he's still far above a lot of "journalists" out there and it doesn't detract from his interviews.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
I've recently seen clips O'Reilly complaining that he took a clip out of context and his complaint was pretty weak frankly.

A couple times where he has been called on supposedly being taking clips out of context I have seen him clarify or correct himself though - which is more than I can say for some.

Of course, if the only complaint people have a ...[text shortened]... ill far above a lot of "journalists" out there and it doesn't detract from his interviews.

personally I didn't see it as weak, but O'reilly was the only one to complain which means the other videos (about hannity) must have been accurate.

More sings that having a public broadcaster is a good thing: the godfather of uber-biased reporting, NewsCorp, is complaining about the BBC:


Murdoch attack on 'dominant' BBC

News Corporation's James Murdoch has said that a "dominant" BBC threatens independent journalism in the UK.

The chairman of the media giant in Europe, which owns the Times and Sun, also blamed the UK government for regulating the media "with relish".

"The expansion of state-sponsored journalism is a threat to the plurality and independence of news provision," Mr Murdoch said.

He was giving the MacTaggart lecture at the Edinburgh Television Festival.

Mr Murdoch said that organisations like the BBC, funded by the licence fee, as well as Channel 4 and Ofcom made it harder for other broadcasters to survive.

'Chilling'

"The BBC is dominant," Mr Murdoch said. "Other organisations might rise and fall but the BBC's income is guaranteed and growing."

The BBC has a very strong competitor in Sky, and not one to be ignored
Sir Michael Lyons, BBC Trust

"The scope of its activities and ambitions is chilling."

News Corporation, which owns Sky television, lost $3.4bn (£2bn) in the year to the end of June, which his father, News Corporation boss Rupert Murdoch, said had been "the most difficult in recent history".

Other media organisations are also struggling as advertising revenues have dropped during the downturn.

Sir Michael Lyons, chairman of the BBC Trust, told the BBC's World Tonight that Mr Murdoch had underplayed the importance of Sky as a competitor.

"Sky continues to grow and get stronger and stronger all the time so this is not quite a set of minnows and a great big BBC," Sir Michael said.

"The BBC has a very strong competitor in Sky, and not one to be ignored."

Free news

Mr Murdoch said free news on the web provided by the BBC made it "incredibly difficult" for private news organisations to ask people to pay for their news.

"It is essential for the future of independent digital journalism that a fair price can be charged for news to people who value it," he said.

News Corporation has said it will start charging online customers for news content across all its websites.

It owns the Times, the Sunday Times and Sun newspapers and pay TV provider BSkyB in the UK and the New York Post and Wall Street Journal in the US.

Rupert Murdoch addressed the same festival 20 years ago, and criticised the UK's media policy then as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8227915.stm

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
More sings that having a public broadcaster is a good thing: the godfather of uber-biased reporting, NewsCorp, is complaining about the BBC:


Murdoch attack on 'dominant' BBC

News Corporation's James Murdoch has said that a "dominant" BBC threatens independent journalism in the UK.

The chairman of the media giant in Europe, which owns the Time then as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8227915.stm

how does that prove a public broadcaster is good? if anything it just proves the opposite.

edit: without mentioning the fact that having the BBC reporting on how the BBC isn't biased is pretty ironic.

Originally posted by generalissimo
how does that prove a public broadcaster is good? if anything it just proves the opposite.

Murdoch sees his ability to report biased "news" hampered.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Murdoch sees his ability to report biased "news" hampered.

at least try something other than the BBC itself

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6814178.ece