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    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    For anyone who parrots the "liberal media" mantra, let's play a little game. Name ANY mainstream media outlet and I will find you an article or editorial critical of Obama policies. And it won't be something complaining he's not "liberal" enough, it will be something from a Conservative perspective.

    Find me one article or editorial critical of Bush policies, something from a Liberal perspective from foxnews.com
    I had no reason to question my local paper....that is until I attended a tea party locally. The paper said that only 300 people showed up when in reality, there were thousands. I can personally attest to that fact. The local police reported about 10,000 in attendance.

    I think it is times like this when you begin to question sources you had always trusted before. I think it all comes down to having a reason not to trust them I suppose.
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    Originally posted by whodey
    I had no reason to question my local paper....that is until I attended a tea party locally. The paper said that only 300 people showed up when in reality, there were thousands. I can personally attest to that fact. The local police reported about 10,000 in attendance.

    I think it is times like this when you begin to question sources you had always trusted before. I think it all comes down to having a reason not to trust them I suppose.
    Being "unbiased" (or at least approximately so in the vein of the BBC) does not mean "flawless reporting". Maybe they just had an uncredible source to name the number of attendees and believed the source without sending someone to the tea party itself.
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    24 Aug '09 11:04
    Originally posted by scherzo
    Similar to why racists hate us for calling them racist ...
    Oh Lord! You appear to be suffering from racism on the brain!
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    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    [b]today's HEADLINE from Foxnews.com:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/23/report-says-cia-lacked-safeguards-prevent-abuse-terror-suspects/

    Report Says CIA Lacked Safeguards to Prevent Abuse of Terror Suspects
    The report -- significant portions of which are scheduled for release Monday -- has been much anticipated in Washington.
    Wall Str ...[text shortened]... r [for a new investigation] if Holder had taken a look at those tapes," Radsan said.

    ....[/b]
    1: That's a Wall Street Journal article linked through Foxnews.com

    2: That article is NOT a critical editorial nor does it present any opinions. It's simply a fact presenting article on a story that is front page news everywhere. Fox News can't simply ignore it because it would be too obvious.

    Let me give you an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about. THIS is an editorial [opinion piece]

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/21/navarrette.democrats.health/index.html
    Commentary: Obama team flip-flops are showing

    "OMG CNN IS IN LOVE WITH OBAMA!!!" err... um... oops.
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    24 Aug '09 13:59
    Who owns the media?
    Bleeding heart liberals? I think not.

    And no, Rupert Murdoch is not a bleeding heart liberal.
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    24 Aug '09 15:24
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Being "unbiased" (or at least approximately so in the vein of the BBC) does not mean "flawless reporting". Maybe they just had an uncredible source to name the number of attendees and believed the source without sending someone to the tea party itself.
    Then they practice shotty journalism. Either way they become suspect in my mind. If they had even bothered to show up to report on the matter, then there is no doubt they were lying because I could clearly ssee thousands in attendance.
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    24 Aug '09 15:29
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Who owns the media?
    Bleeding heart liberals? I think not.

    And no, Rupert Murdoch is not a bleeding heart liberal.
    Obviously, the media is controlled by individual companies, people and groups, not any single group of mentality.

    Equally obviously, there are conservative elements in the media, including the Murdoch empire.

    However, I also think it's true that the median media outlet in the US is far more liberal than the median person. Hence the justifiably perceived liberal bias in the media.
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    Originally posted by bill718
    An interesting idea, but the lists could be long. Here is my very short list.

    Conservative:
    A. Fox News (TV)
    B. National Review (Print)

    FOX seems liberal these days: see http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-19-2009/fox-news--the-new-liberals
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    Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist
    By Meg Sullivan| 12/14/2005 5:36:31 PM
    While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.

    These are just a few of the surprising findings from a UCLA-led study, which is believed to be the first successful attempt at objectively quantifying bias in a range of media outlets and ranking them accordingly.

    "I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."

    "Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co‑author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.

    The results appear in the latest issue of the Quarterly Journal of Economics, which will become available in mid-December.

    Groseclose and Milyo based their research on a standard gauge of a lawmaker's support for liberal causes. Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) tracks the percentage of times that each lawmaker votes on the liberal side of an issue. Based on these votes, the ADA assigns a numerical score to each lawmaker, where "100" is the most liberal and "0" is the most conservative. After adjustments to compensate for disproportionate representation that the Senate gives to low‑population states and the lack of representation for the District of Columbia, the average ADA score in Congress (50.1) was assumed to represent the political position of the average U.S. voter.

    Groseclose and Milyo then directed 21 research assistants — most of them college students — to scour U.S. media coverage of the past 10 years. They tallied the number of times each media outlet referred to think tanks and policy groups, such as the left-leaning NAACP or the right-leaning Heritage Foundation.

    Next, they did the same exercise with speeches of U.S. lawmakers. If a media outlet displayed a citation pattern similar to that of a lawmaker, then Groseclose and Milyo's method assigned both a similar ADA score.

    "A media person would have never done this study," said Groseclose, a UCLA political science professor, whose research and teaching focuses on the U.S. Congress. "It takes a Congress scholar even to think of using ADA scores as a measure. And I don't think many media scholars would have considered comparing news stories to congressional speeches."

    Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

    Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.

    The most centrist outlet proved to be the "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and ABC's "Good Morning America" were a close second and third.

    "Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill," Groseclose said. "If these newscasters weren't centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators."

    The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.

    "If viewers spent an equal amount of time watching Fox's 'Special Report' as ABC's 'World News' and NBC's 'Nightly News,' then they would receive a nearly perfectly balanced version of the news," said Milyo, an associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Missouri at Columbia.

    Five news outlets — "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," ABC's "Good Morning America," CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown," Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and the Drudge Report — were in a statistical dead heat in the race for the most centrist news outlet. Of the print media, USA Today was the most centrist.

    An additional feature of the study shows how each outlet compares in political orientation with actual lawmakers. The news pages of The Wall Street Journal scored a little to the left of the average American Democrat, as determined by the average ADA score of all Democrats in Congress (85 versus 84). With scores in the mid-70s, CBS' "Evening News" and The New York Times looked similar to Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., who has an ADA score of 74.

    Most of the outlets were less liberal than Lieberman but more liberal than former Sen. John Breaux, D-La. Those media outlets included the Drudge Report, ABC's "World News Tonight," NBC's "Nightly News," USA Today, NBC's "Today Show," Time magazine, U.S. News & World Report, Newsweek, NPR's "Morning Edition," CBS' "Early Show" and The Washington Post.

    Since Groseclose and Milyo were more concerned with bias in news reporting than opinion pieces, which are designed to stake a political position, they omitted editorials and Op‑Eds from their tallies. This is one reason their study finds The Wall Street Journal more liberal than conventional wisdom asserts.

    Another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom was that the Drudge Report was slightly left of center.

    "One thing people should keep in mind is that our data for the Drudge Report was based almost entirely on the articles that the Drudge Report lists on other Web sites," said Groseclose. "Very little was based on the stories that Matt Drudge himself wrote. The fact that the Drudge Report appears left of center is merely a reflection of the overall bias of the media."

    Yet another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom relates to National Public Radio, often cited by conservatives as an egregious example of a liberal news outlet. But according to the UCLA-University of Missouri study, it ranked eighth most liberal of the 20 that the study examined.

    "By our estimate, NPR hardly differs from the average mainstream news outlet," Groseclose said. "Its score is approximately equal to those of Time, Newsweek and U.S. News & World Report and its score is slightly more conservative than The Washington Post's. If anything, government‑funded outlets in our sample have a slightly lower average ADA score (61), than the private outlets in our sample (62.8)."

    The researchers took numerous steps to safeguard against bias — or the appearance of same — in the work, which took close to three years to complete. They went to great lengths to ensure that as many research assistants supported Democratic candidate Al Gore in the 2000 election as supported President George Bush. They also sought no outside funding, a rarity in scholarly research.

    "No matter the results, we feared our findings would've been suspect if we'd received support from any group that could be perceived as right- or left-leaning, so we consciously decided to fund this project only with our own salaries and research funds that our own universities provided," Groseclose said.

    The results break new ground.

    "Past researchers have been able to say whether an outlet is conservative or liberal, but no one has ever compared media outlets to lawmakers," Groseclose said. "Our work gives a precise characterization of the bias and relates it to known commodity — politicians."

    -UCLA-

    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx
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    24 Aug '09 16:53
    and from left leaning NPR:

    "Confirmation for Conservatives
    It found that a majority of American journalists say they are liberals. Not surprisingly this has been grist for conservatives because it confirms the impression that journalists are overwhelmingly liberal compared to the public in general.
    This is only a small portion of the study. But it is likely to follow news organizations around for the rest of the political year like Marley's ghost. For some, Bush's rise or fall in November will be inextricably linked to this poll.
    And that leads to some serious concerns about the Pew poll as well.
    First, the poll never asks exactly how personal political attitudes impact on the ability of journalists to do their job. In that sense, I think the poll may be a disservice. It implies -- but never explains how or if bias has an impact on journalism. The poll simply assumes -- as conservatives constantly point out -- that bias makes its way into the journalism."

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1919999
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    Originally posted by NimzovichLarsen
    Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist
    By Meg Sullivan| 12/14/2005 5:36:31 PM
    While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and rad
    Good gracious. The American voter is the standard by which the center is determined. This is scholarship?
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    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Good gracious. The American voter is the standard by which the center is determined. This is scholarship?
    Uh... for a study of AMERICAN MEDIA in AMERICA, yes... what other standard would you have the AMERICAN media judged by? The people of Sweden, perhaps?
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    Originally posted by sh76
    Uh... for a study of AMERICAN MEDIA in AMERICA, yes... what other standard would you have the AMERICAN media judged by? The people of Sweden, perhaps?
    Isn't that somewhat assuming that the American voter is the center?

    You've said before on this forum that the US is a "center-right" country - so from that it would seem the American people would be right of center and not the center.
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    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Isn't that somewhat assuming that the American voter is the center?

    You've said before on this forum that the US is a "center-right" country - so from that it would seem the American people would be right of center and not the center.
    No, it's not assuming anything. You are measuring the American media, so you measure it against Americans.

    If you were measuring the European media, then you'd measure it against Europeans.

    Media (primarily) serves the country that they're in. Obviously, all politics are relative. What is conservative in Massachussetts is not necessarily conservative in Utah.

    Of course relative to Europe the US people are (on the whole) right of center, but the American media has to be measured against its constituents, which are not the Europeans.
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    24 Aug '09 18:121 edit
    Originally posted by NimzovichLarsen
    and from left leaning NPR:

    "Confirmation for Conservatives
    It found that a majority of American journalists say they are liberals. Not surprisingly this has been grist for conservatives because it confirms the impression that journalists are overwhelmingly liberal compared to the public in general.
    This is only a small portion of the study. But ts way into the journalism."

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1919999
    I have been told, for quite some time, National Public Radio (NPR), Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), and The Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) are liberal run media funded by the US taxpayer. Does the US have conservative run outlet funded by public monies?
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