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  1. Subscriberdivegeester
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    @moonbus said
    No, you haven't. If you still want to sell your goods and services to EU countries, you have to abide by THEIR rules and safety/environmental/transport regulations. The target country's rules apply, not the supplier's. The big difference is that, before, you had a vote in what those rules would be, and now you don't.
    Err, yes we have.

    Seeking to comply with EU regs on goods is our choice in order to trade. Same way we will comply with Japan’s regs in order to trade. Japan has some of the toughest clinical regs for medical devices in the world and everyone complies. It’s a choice.

    We are no longer part of the EU but we still want to trade. I think you pretending not to be able to differentiate that obvious nuance is almost as silly as duchess64 comparing a waitress earning tips to a freelance writer writing sob-stories to the guardian.
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    @divegeester said
    Err, yes we have.

    Seeking to comply with EU regs on goods is our choice in order to trade. Same way we will comply with Japan’s regs in order to trade. Japan has some of the toughest clinical regs for medical devices in the world and everyone complies. It’s a choice.

    We are no longer part of the EU but we still want to trade. I think you pretending not to be able ...[text shortened]... chess64 comparing a waitress earning tips to a freelance writer writing sob-stories to the guardian.
    You always had a choice when you part of the EU, and previous PMs negotiated numerous op-outs to specific regulations which applied to the rest of the EU members.
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    @moonbus said
    You always had a choice when you part of the EU, and previous PMs negotiated numerous op-outs to specific regulations which applied to the rest of the EU members.
    Well you’ve convinced me it was all a waste of time. If only you had explained this before.
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    @moonbus said
    You always had a choice when you part of the EU
    What choice was that?
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    @divegeester said
    Comparing your predictable Guardian editorial with a waitress serving and wiping tables for tips is silly, but I’ll settle.
    Note that Divegeester blatantly LIES when he claims that the article cited in my
    original post was an 'editorial' by 'The Guardian'. In fact--again--it was written by
    David Edgerton, a British historian, who's employed by King's College London.

    Divegeester's prejudices, stupidity, and pathological dishonesty are practically
    constant, so it's unnecessary to create a curve mapping them.
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    @divegeester said
    Err, yes we have.

    Seeking to comply with EU regs on goods is our choice in order to trade. Same way we will comply with Japan’s regs in order to trade. Japan has some of the toughest clinical regs for medical devices in the world and everyone complies. It’s a choice.

    We are no longer part of the EU but we still want to trade. I think you pretending not to be able ...[text shortened]... chess64 comparing a waitress earning tips to a freelance writer writing sob-stories to the guardian.
    Note that Divegeester keeps blatantly LYING about the article cited in my original post.
    It's NOT an 'editorial' by 'The Guardian', and it's NOT written by a 'freelance writer'.
    It was written by David Edgerton, a British historian, who's employed (full time)
    by King's College London, NOT by 'The Guardian'.

    Note also that Divegeester has long had the fanatical bias that everything published
    in 'The Guardian' must be disbelieved. Indeed, I doubt that Divegeester has ever
    read much of 'the Guardian' because he seems ignorant of the obvious reality
    that 'The Guardian' pays writers who often strongly disagree with one another.

    When fanatical supporters of Brexit have to resort immediately to such obvious
    whopping LIES, it points toward the weaknesses that they hope to conceal.
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    @duchess64 said
    Note that Divegeester keeps blatantly LYING about the article cited in my original post.
    It's NOT an 'editorial' by 'The Guardian', and it's NOT written by a 'freelance writer'.
    It was written by David Edgerton is a British historian, who's employed (full time)
    by King's College London, NOT by 'The Guardian'.

    Note also that Divegeester has long had the fanatical bias ...[text shortened]... mediately to such obvious
    whopping LIES, it points toward the weaknesses that they hope to conceal.
    It was paid for by the Guardian’s finances
    It was signed of by the Guardian’s political editor
    It was published under the Guardian’s political brand

    It’s Guardian Remainer tear soup
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    @duchess64 said
    Note that Divegeester blatantly LIES when he claims that the article cited in my
    original post was an 'editorial' by 'The Guardian'. In fact--again--it was written by
    David Edgerton, a British historian, who's employed by King's College London.

    Divegeester's prejudices, stupidity, and pathological dishonesty are practically
    constant, so it's unnecessary to create a curve mapping them.
    Just be grateful that I’m reeling you in gently, seeing as how you are gut-hooked on this.
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    @divegeester said
    It was paid for by the Guardian’s finances
    It was signed of by the Guardian’s political editor
    It was published under the Guardian’s political brand

    It’s Guardian Remainer tear soup
    So Divegeester evidently claims that EVERYTHING published in 'The Guardian' must be an EDITORIAL!
    The practically illiterate Divegeeter needs someone to teach him how to look up
    the meaning of 'editorial'.

    Of course, ALL publications have an editor screen submissions by external writers
    (or even internal writers) before they are approved for publication.
    (I had an incompetent editor who inserted grammatical errors into what I wrote
    and made me appear illiterate.)

    Divegeester's prejudices, stupidity, and pathological dishonesty are practically
    constant, so it's unnecessary to create a curve mapping them.
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    @divegeester said
    Err, yes we have.

    Seeking to comply with EU regs on goods is our choice in order to trade. Same way we will comply with Japan’s regs in order to trade. Japan has some of the toughest clinical regs for medical devices in the world and everyone complies. It’s a choice.

    We are no longer part of the EU but we still want to trade. I think you pretending not to be able ...[text shortened]... chess64 comparing a waitress earning tips to a freelance writer writing sob-stories to the guardian.
    You still haven’t grasped it.

    The UK is bound, by this deal, to EU labour laws, health and safety requirements, quality controls, etc.

    Not only for goods being traded with the EU.
    The UK cannot undermine EU wages, etc.

    If they do so, the EU has the right to compensation.

    So, no matter which trade deals the UK wants in the future, no matter what they want, they’re going to have to stick to the EU’s level playing field.
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    02 Jan '21 12:08
    @divegeester said
    Well you’ve convinced me it was all a waste of time. If only you had explained this before.
    We did.
    We also explained that the UK is sovereign over its own borders in the EU (hence passport controls and everything).

    This was all explained to you many times.
    And yet you think you’ve won sovereignty. Yet you think you have broken free from imaginary shackles.

    All you’ve done is created a bureacratic nightmare for yourselves.

    And most of you are too thick to even comprehend the deal you’ve just signed.
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    02 Jan '21 12:09
    @divegeester said
    Just be grateful that I’m reeling you in gently, seeing as how you are gut-hooked on this.
    Dude. You are seriously reeling in nothing but a trade deal which gives you something you already had and nothing what brexiteers thought they wanted.
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    @duchess64 said
    So Divegeester evidently claims that EVERYTHING published in 'The Guardian' must be an EDITORIAL!
    The practically illiterate Divegeeter needs someone to teach him how to look up
    the meaning of 'editorial'.
    I didn’t claim that at all.

    I think you’re just upset. As usual.
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    02 Jan '21 12:18
    @shavixmir said
    Dude. You are seriously reeling in nothing but a trade deal which gives you something you already had and nothing what brexiteers thought they wanted.
    Most Brexiters wanted a post Brexit trade deal, I certainly did.

    We got one.
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    02 Jan '21 12:213 edits
    Is this going to be the loser’s riff now;

    You got Brexit, as predicted
    You got a trade deal with the EU, as predicted
    It’s going smoothly at the ports so far, already, as predicted
    You’re not starving, as we hoped you would be

    But damn, it’s still crap and and and ....
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