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  1. Subscriberkevcvs57
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    03 Jan '21 14:081 edit
    @biffo-konker said
    The UK will continue to blame the EU for any problems after Brexit. They have started already when they realised UK musicians would require work permits to tour in the EU.

    'The government says it tried to secure better conditions for UK touring musicians during the Brexit negotiations, but its proposals were rejected by the EU.'
    BBC news.
    That is a lie because the m ...[text shortened]... the incompetent UK government that was hand picked according to how strong their brexit views were.
    Well if we have citizens who are going to give a toss about some over paid and privileged musicians having to fill in some extra paperwork then we are probably doomed to an endless vortex of self pitying tears whatever the EU does.
    The sooner the UK govt is honest about how generous and backward bending the EU has been the better, but musicians are even more of an irrelevance than fishermen IMO.
  2. Green Boots Cave
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    03 Jan '21 14:461 edit
    @kevcvs57 said
    Well if we have citizens who are going to give a toss about some over paid and privileged musicians having to fill in some extra paperwork then we are probably doomed to an endless vortex of self pitying tears whatever the EU does.
    The sooner the UK govt is honest about how generous and backward bending the EU has been the better, but musicians are even more of an irrelevance than fishermen IMO.
    I agree with all that. The point was that the UK government is already - after 2 days - blaming the EU for any shortcomings of the brexit deal.
  3. Subscriberkevcvs57
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    @biffo-konker said
    I agree with all that. The point was that the UK government is already - after 2 days - blaming the EU for any the shortcomings of the brexit deal.
    I don’t doubt it for a second but they also blame the tricky nature of covid19 for their abysmal record of containment.
    We have some complete and utter inbred morons in our body politic but it would be a mistake for our EU neighbours to assume that they speak for even a large minority of Brits who, for the most part, are just relieved it’s over and that we’ve come out the other end relatively unscathed.
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    03 Jan '21 15:25
    @shavixmir said
    There is no solace to be found in my interpretation.
    I’m just stating facts.

    The next step will be: who will the brexiteers turn on when their envisioned future turns out to be a popped bubble?

    But that, my friend, is for a future thread some 6 to 12 months down the road.
    Is that the same thread where we will be discussing new trade deals and other EU countries wanting to follow our lead?
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    03 Jan '21 15:33
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Is that the same thread where we will be discussing new trade deals and other EU countries wanting to follow our lead?
    🤣
  6. Green Boots Cave
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    03 Jan '21 15:44
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Is that the same thread where we will be discussing new trade deals and other EU countries wanting to follow our lead?
    Like the one the UK just signed with Turkey?
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    @biffo-konker said
    Like the one the UK just signed with Turkey?
    The UK’s new trade agreement with Turkey, signed last week, ignores the Turkish government’s continuing human rights abuses, boosts its dangerous president, and undermines ministerial pledges that “global Britain” will uphold international laws and values.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/global-britain-is-willing-to-trade-away-everything-including-scruples
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    04 Jan '21 05:38
    Or the Japanese trade deal. A real cracker, that one.

    Although the level playing field they signed in that one made the brexit level playing field far easier to swallow.

    Dear oh dear. Well, at least if the masses go starving (due to austerity measures, not due to Brexit... don’t forget that it’s the tories that have brought it all on the last 12 years) Johnsson can say: “Let them drink Soya!”
  9. Green Boots Cave
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    @shavixmir said
    Or the Japanese trade deal. A real cracker, that one.

    Although the level playing field they signed in that one made the brexit level playing field far easier to swallow.

    Dear oh dear. Well, at least if the masses go starving (due to austerity measures, not due to Brexit... don’t forget that it’s the tories that have brought it all on the last 12 years) Johnsson can say: “Let them drink Soya!”
    And now no fish. What a debacle.

    'An MP has called on the prime minister to secure fishing rights for a UK super trawler which has been unable to operate since December.

    The Kirkella freezer trawler, based in Hull, catches cod and haddock in sub-Arctic waters, but Brexit has left it without a fishing agreement.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-55621259

    Wasn't fishing supposed to be one of the really big brexit plus points?
  10. Subscriberkevcvs57
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    12 Jan '21 17:34
    @biffo-konker said
    The UK’s new trade agreement with Turkey, signed last week, ignores the Turkish government’s continuing human rights abuses, boosts its dangerous president, and undermines ministerial pledges that “global Britain” will uphold international laws and values.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/global-britain-is-willing-to-trade-away-everything-including-scruples
    What are your thoughts on the EU investment deal with China a week or so ago?
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    @kevcvs57 said
    What are your thoughts on the EU investment deal with China a week or so ago?
    It shows that the EU recognizes that China's much too important as an economic player
    to be ignored and that the EU's not eager to enlist in the USA's crusade against China.

    "All EU member states except Ireland have already concluded bilateral investment treaties with China.
    These agreements differ markedly from one another, but they all cover only the post-entry
    protection of investment, not market access. The EU-China “Comprehensive” Agreement
    on Investment was intended to cover market access as well as investment protection.
    At the end of the day, the agreed text of the agreement only concerns market
    access, with investment protection still left to negotiate for a future agreement.
    Negotiations for the CAI were not easy: they started in 2013 and took 35 rounds of talks.

    The European Commission presented the agreement as “the most ambitious agreement
    that China has ever concluded with a third country.” The agreement binds China’s liberalization
    of investments and prevents backsliding on conditions of market access for EU companies.
    ...
    The agreement now needs to undergo “legal scrubbing” and to be signed by the
    two sides, before it is ratified and enters into force. On the EU side, it will have to
    be ratified by the European Parliament (there is no need for ratification by the
    national parliaments of the EU member states). This process is estimated to take
    around one year. In addition, China and the EU set themselves a two-year deadline
    for the conclusion of negotiations on an additional investment protection agreement."
    --The Diplomat

    The USA likely will pressure (or demand that) the EU not to ratify its agreement with China.
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    @divegeester said
    OK.

    Still not starving.
    Nobody said you would be. I've only ever seen claims from the Dailies that the Grauniad claimed you would. All I've ever seen from the Grauniad itself is claims that certain products would get rarer and costlier, which is a rather more nuanced statement. But then, nuance has never been a strong point of Leavers.

    And then again, be grateful you're not a self-employed haulier.
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    @moonbus said
    You always had a choice when you part of the EU, and previous PMs negotiated numerous op-outs to specific regulations which applied to the rest of the EU members.
    Which we, in Europe, are now rid of. That, IMO, is the second-best thing to come out of Brexit. (Nr. one being, of course, freedom from Downing Street's Humphreyan sabotage. )
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    @biffo-konker said
    The UK will continue to blame the EU for any problems after Brexit. They have started already when they realised UK musicians would require work permits to tour in the EU.
    And now, of course, us evil Dutchies are stealing hardworking English ham sandwiches! How very dare we keep the UK to the agreement it signed?
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    14 Jan '21 16:12
    @biffo-konker said
    And now no fish. What a debacle.

    'An MP has called on the prime minister to secure fishing rights for a UK super trawler which has been unable to operate since December.

    The Kirkella freezer trawler, based in Hull, catches cod and haddock in sub-Arctic waters, but Brexit has left it without a fishing agreement.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-55621259

    Wasn't fishing supposed to be one of the really big brexit plus points?
    UPDATE. Boris has said the government will compensate the fishermen for the losses.
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