The Trump Phenomenon

Originally posted by vivify
Are you trying to pull a whodey and claim liberals are responsible for Trump?

Well, liberal republicans, yes. To oversimplify, the GOP is split between conservatives (Cruz supporters, say) and big-government liberals (say Jeb or Rubio supporters). This may not make sense to you if you equate "conservative" with "republican."

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Well, liberal republicans, yes. To oversimplify, the GOP is split between conservatives (Cruz supporters, say) and big-government liberals (say Jeb or Rubio supporters). This may not make sense to you if you equate "conservative" with "republican."

Of course that applies as well to the left.

Originally posted by normbenign

I seriously believe that voters will be mostly voting against the opposition, not for their candidate.

I would've voted for Ron Paul over Obama, and I'd pick Kasich over Hillary.

Originally posted by normbenign
Of course that applies as well to the left.

Hmmm, does it?

I'd say anyone voting for Bernie OR Hillary is voting for socialism. It's just that with Hillary you get cronyism, corruption, deceit, etc. along with your socialism.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Well, liberal republicans, yes. To oversimplify, the GOP is split between conservatives (Cruz supporters, say) and big-government liberals (say Jeb or Rubio supporters). This may not make sense to you if you equate "conservative" with "republican."

You really believe liberals are supporting a candidate who proposed banning Muslims? You think it's liberals supporting someone who said women should be punished for having abortions?

You're not being honest with yourself.

Originally posted by vivify
You really believe liberals are supporting a candidate who proposed banning Muslims? You think it's liberals supporting someone who said women should be punished for having abortions?

You're not being honest with yourself.

You don't seem able to accept the idea that a conservative's definition of a "liberal" can include a big-government loving republican (like Jeb or Kasich) or an amnesty shill (Rubio). It's OK. Let's just call them "too far left for a conservative's taste", and Trump is definitely in that camp. Conservatives wanted Cruz.

Originally posted by normbenign
Of course that applies as well to the left.

Not really. There are no conservatives in the Dim party

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Hmmm, does it?

I'd say anyone voting for Bernie OR Hillary is voting for socialism. It's just that with Hillary you get cronyism, corruption, deceit, etc. along with your socialism.

How on earth can anyone pass that up? 😲

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
You don't seem able to accept the idea that a conservative's definition of a "liberal" can include a big-government loving republican (like Jeb or Kasich) or an amnesty shill (Rubio). It's OK. Let's just call them "too far left for a conservative's taste", and Trump is definitely in that camp. Conservatives wanted Cruz.

Here is a dirty little secret, only big government politicians can be elected to the big government.

Originally posted by vivify
Liberals elected Obama, not "the country". If you look at the popular vote in both of his elections, isn't wasn't by wide margins. If conservatives had their way, Obama would not have been elected; and If conservatives have their way again, Trump will be in office.

Incorrect.

By almost all estimates, no more 25% of Americans self-identify as "liberals," while Obama got well over 50% in both elections. Moderates elected Obama and it's (probably) moderates who will reject Trump.

Originally posted by sh76
Incorrect.

By almost all estimates, no more 25% of Americans self-identify as "liberals," while Obama got well over 50% in both elections. Moderates elected Obama and it's (probably) moderates who will reject Trump.

Boy those moderates are doing a bang up job eh? Country's doing great. Can't wait for Hillary.

Originally posted by sh76
Incorrect.

By almost all estimates, no more 25% of Americans self-identify as "liberals," while Obama got well over 50% in both elections. Moderates elected Obama and it's (probably) moderates who will reject Trump.

Link?

EDIT: Still doesn't change my overall point that conservatives weren't involved in electing Obama. Therefore, you shouldn't be dumbfounded at Trump's nomination, as if Republicans made some wild change.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Boy those moderates are doing a bang up job eh? Country's doing great. Can't wait for Hillary.

It seems unlikely to me that a McCain or Romney administration would have drastically increased the top income tax bracket or drastically reduced military spending.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Boy those moderates are doing a bang up job eh? Country's doing great. Can't wait for Hillary.

The radical extremists want to balance the budget, the moderates enjoy a $20 debt.

Originally posted by whodey
The radical extremists want to balance the budget, the moderates enjoy a $20 debt.

What measures do you propose to balance the budget?