@wildgrass saidWell, it stands to reason that we want a leader to be a leader, which would require united followers/citizens, so I don't get your point. If a guy is otherwise leading a society in turmoil, if you will, we can assume immediately that he is not uniting. He is dividing.
My feeling is that historical examples of good leaders are uniters not dividers. You just made up the idea of the opposite, or does that derive from somewhere?
So, dont get your point. I myself would want a leader that unites.
@Zahlanzi saidSorry about that. I do recognize that it came across as dismissive.
good "osservation". me being "romaniano" totally has an impact on the point i was making
The more independent eyes we have from outside the "American Village" (as we devolve into whatever horror-shows) the better.
Thank you. 🙂
@AverageJoe1 saidThen too bad you have Trump.
Well, it stands to reason that we want a leader to be a leader, which would require united followers/citizens, so I don't get your point. If a guy is otherwise leading a society in turmoil, if you will, we can assume immediately that he is not uniting. He is dividing.
So, dont get your point. I myself would want a leader that unites.
@Suzianne saidAn analogy if I may? Biden released people who were not 'one of us' into our society, mayhem erupted. We all love legal immigrants, one works in my home. She and I have discussed it, actually. But not illegal aliens.
Then too bad you have Trump.
What if someone, like you, released 25 raccoons into Sonhouse's chicken yard, his coops? Same thing. The reasons would be different, but the results?? The same.
You, suzianne, would be divisive. Even Trump would not do that.
@spruce112358 saidYeah, even REPUBS know Epstein was a criminal but still gives another criminal a bye, just witch hunt, fake news, corrupt judge, corrupt jury......
@AverageJoe1
Yes. It really does appear that the Epstein thing is NOT going away. 😆 😆 😆
I see that Trump and Epstein were the closest of friends and had little “secrets?” Normally that would be of no interest, but Epstein was a notorious criminal.
We should look at the files and see if Trump is mentioned in there in any way. 😆
@AverageJoe1 saidOh, gone with the wind? More like Goon with the wand. I guess you forgot Trump based a good part of his campaign on Epstein files, TOTAL TRANSPARENCY is what he touted, thinking nothing would come of it.
Epstein? Watch this subject be gone with the wind.
But now the carefully redacted files may come out without a word of Trump's name and Trump now realizing we may actually see his name come up in those files NOW trump is spooked, clearly pushing the "transparency' schtick and now he is caught with his pants down when it seems we might actually see the REAL files he is spooked.
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@sonhouse saidI’m not Epstein minded, there is so much more. I have no doubt that Trump acted gentlemanly around all those people when he went on those junkets., He probably went along, to make deals with all those other rich guys on the plane. That’s about all I have to say about it. I may eat my words, but I doubt it.
Oh, gone with the wind? More like Goon with the wand. I guess you forgot Trump based a good part of his campaign on Epstein files, TOTAL TRANSPARENCY is what he touted, thinking nothing would come of it.
But now the carefully redacted files may come out without a word of Trump's name and Trump now realizing we may actually see his name come up in those files NOW trump is sp ...[text shortened]... w he is caught with his pants down when it seems we might actually see the REAL files he is spooked.
Hey, your post looks very familiar. Did you not already write this? We ‘may’ actually see the files with such and such? An enlightening post indeed.
@sonhouse saidHey, Suzanne seems to want to talk about the Obama Clinton conspiracy. Now we’re talking.!!!! Jump in. History unfolds before our eyes.
Oh, gone with the wind? More like Goon with the wand. I guess you forgot Trump based a good part of his campaign on Epstein files, TOTAL TRANSPARENCY is what he touted, thinking nothing would come of it.
But now the carefully redacted files may come out without a word of Trump's name and Trump now realizing we may actually see his name come up in those files NOW trump is sp ...[text shortened]... w he is caught with his pants down when it seems we might actually see the REAL files he is spooked.
@AverageJoe1 saidPutin said directly to reporters many years ago that he interfered to help trump and wanted him to win. Many people corroborated that at the time, including Republican leaders in signed reports and memos and they now say the opposite. You gullible fool.
Hey, Suzanne seems to want to talk about the Obama Clinton conspiracy. Now we’re talking.!!!! Jump in. History unfolds before our eyes.
@wildgrass saidThis is what I wrote to Suzianne on the DNC Election thread today. I wrote this, in effect, that we all know Russia interfered in 2016 and wanted Trump to win. There have not been any arguments to the contrary that I know of. It is a fact.
Putin said directly to reporters many years ago that he interfered to help trump and wanted him to win. Many people corroborated that at the time, including Republican leaders in signed reports and memos and they now say the opposite. You gullible fool.
To Suzianne:
"""Stay with me here, you are so close. You simply need to replace your phrase "..Russia was involved in the 2016 election" with. "....that Obama and Clntion are being investigated to determine the Obama Administration's handling and assessment of the Russian Interference in the 2016 election".
Of course there is no doubt that Russia interfered, that fact is not an issue. The Obama and Clinton conspiracy has always been an issue.""
Wildgrass, when I say there is no doubt that Russia interfered, a moron, YOU!!!! (put moron emoji here, maybe a picture of Mamdani).... a moron knows that.
Take that. Now you have Suzannah thinking that I am a gullible fool!!!
I might whip your butt. How big 'a ole boy are you?
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@AverageJoe1 saidThey already decided, the first time around.
OK. Link us the evidence that she has released. I am not aware of it. And of course, follow it up with what 'everyone' responded with, confirming that there was no treason. It is for the experts to decide, not you and me, and certainly not Sonhouse.
What did they say, whoever they are?
Why are you so slow about this?
@AverageJoe1 saidWhat you REALLY mean is add ANY democrat so we distract from Trump being in the middle of it all also.
Hey, Suzanne seems to want to talk about the Obama Clinton conspiracy. Now we’re talking.!!!! Jump in. History unfolds before our eyes.
You are really transparent as saran wrap.
@AverageJoe1 saidFunny how Trump's goons are arresting folks with LEGAL GREEN CARDS and American citizens. You already said there are at least 70 such, THAT THEY ADMIT.
An analogy if I may? Biden released people who were not 'one of us' into our society, mayhem erupted. We all love legal immigrants, one works in my home. She and I have discussed it, actually. But not illegal aliens.
What if someone, like you, released 25 raccoons into Sonhouse's chicken yard, his coops? Same thing. The reasons would be different, but the results?? The same.
You, suzianne, would be divisive. Even Trump would not do that.
ONE is too many. And tell me how many have had their day in court and shown to be criminals by judge or jury.
Tell me how many of THOSE there are? What happened to Trump saying 'we only deport the worse of the worse" REALLY? Like that dude who has been here some 40 years, working man, 3 sons in the US MARINES? or the daughter of a priest who is South Korean with an R1 visa, daughter with a legal R2 visa, kidnapped anyway, who cares about that pesky Visa crap anyway, they ain't white.
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@Suzianne said"They' already decided "what" ???
They already decided, the first time around.
Why are you so slow about this?
And what time around? This is the first investigation of its kind, about a conspiracy with finally-opened documentation. I guess we will never know what caused John Durham to not get to the bottom of it.
Grand jury will. I hope they just don't do it if it is same, ole same ole, with no accountability.
Do dems have any Alphas? And why doesn't Trump ever wear one of those flight jackets?
@sonhouse saidBut i dont mean that all. Our arguments are so far ahead o y'all's , I dont have to mean anything except the facts that I publish.
What you REALLY mean is add ANY democrat so we distract from Trump being in the middle of it all also.
You are really transparent as saran wrap.
What you gonna say if he pulls of Ukraine? Can't wait.