@moonbus saidWho or what is T45. Please try to speak in normal langauge. Thanks.
I would point out, for the umpteenth time, that there was a treaty in force when T45 came to office; it was working and verifiable. T45 shredded it and replaced it with nothing but mistrust; this proved to the Iranians that Trump could not be trusted. If T45 had honored that treaty, there would be no pretext to invade Iran now.
The fact that the Mullahs are nasty rulers to ...[text shortened]... the world who are abusing their own people, not least Putin; American is not the world's policeman.
Yes. Any leader that abuses their people ... kill them, rape them, hang them, cause them harm in any form, should be killed.
So F..k you. You can go to hell if you support these rogue states. I support Trump and any other leader that has the balls to finish off these nasty disgusting people.
Back TF off and leave good decent people and let them clean up the planet.
@moonbus said"...plus the fact that peace is not Putin's objective in Ukraine anyway."
Trump's entire 'negotiating' tactic is: "do what I want or I'll hurt you." He knows no other. It's pure intimidation. That's how he runs the fed. as well domestically.
Of course, this tactic does not work on Putin, and that's partly why there is no end in sight for the Ukraine conflict; plus the fact that peace is not Putin's objective in Ukraine anyway.
The end of the ...[text shortened]... op taking revenge on Americans wherever they are on the world, and that could drag another 50 years.
You seem to be very close to Putin if you know such things.
To me, it is a hypothesis, that Putin does not want peace, and it is not a very probable hypothesis.
Also, that hypothesis and its presentation as a sure fact are standard pieces of Ukrainian propaganda.
@shavixmir saidWhy don't we make peace wit Iran? Appeasement I believe is the word. Works every time, Trump shakes hands with the _____________________(fill in the blank, call them what you will, it is irrelevant), and we pack up and go home.
The regime has changed!
The missiles are all used up.
Or… boats are burning, oil prices are rising and the US is sending marines…
It’s obvious the trump administration is as sharp as George jr. on a dull day in the spoon drawer.
Good grief. As if blowing up the middle east had ever been succesful, now we’ve got incompetent retards trying it.
Which country gave ...[text shortened]... ntion.
If it wasn’t for civilians being torn to shreds by missiles, this would be a grand comedy.
Can't you just see Hitler waving goodbye after all agreements are signed in, say, Netherlands, nd we pack up and leave Europe? Big smiles all around, all go back to peace and prosperity. Makes sense.
Does anyone have a problem with that? We have one hell of a Think Tank here , weigh in please,
@AverageJoe1 saidIran's leadership has made it clear that to end the current war, it is already insufficient if the US stops bombing Iran. Iran's current peace conditions include:
Why don't we make peace wit Iran? Appeasement I believe is the word. Works every time, Trump shakes hands with the _____________________(fill in the blank, call them what you will, it is irrelevant), and we pack up and go home.
Can't you just see Hitler waving goodbye after all agreements are signed in, say, Netherlands, nd we pack up and leave Europe? Big smiles ...[text shortened]...
Does anyone have a problem with that? We have one hell of a Think Tank here , weigh in please,
1. The US must pay reparations to Iran for the war of aggression.
2. The US must withdraw all its military bases from the Persian Gulf area, as these bases constitute a security threat to Iran.
The only thing that remains mysterious is: suppose the US runs away from the Middle East. Then, how can Iran continue the war against the US. It need some explanation.
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@Nanomaster said
Iran's leadership has made it clear that to end the current war, it is already insufficient if the US stops bombing Iran. Iran's current peace conditions include:
1. The US must pay reparations to Iran for the war of aggression.
2. The US must withdraw all its military bases from the Persian Gulf area, as these bases constitute a security threat to Iran.
The only t ...[text shortened]... from the Middle East. Then, how can Iran continue the war against the US. It need some explanation.
The only thing that remains mysterious is: suppose the US runs away from the Middle East. Then, how can Iran continue the war against the US. It need some explanation.
Yes. I was about to post this in response to what you wrote before this.
Traditionally Iran is the land of the Assassins. Tom Clancy has a book where an Assassin is hired as part of the Secret Service and tries to kill the President*. Medieval Persians tried to take out the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire. The latter case didn't work out well for them though; they failed and the Khan razed their mountain fortress to the ground and put their Old Man of the Mountain to the sword in retaliation.
Actually it looks like both history and fiction don't make their Assassins look too effective. I thought they got the Khan but apparently not.
*
https://jackryan.fandom.com/wiki/Aref_Raman
In 1996, Aref Raman was installed in the Secret Service as a sleeper agent. He was later tasked by Ayatollah Mahmoud Haji Daryaei of the newly formed United Islamic Republic to assassinate President Jack Ryan. This was part of a series of terrorist attacks on the United States orchestrated by Daryaei in an attempt to prevent the country from interfering with the UIR's invasion of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Despite this, Raman's assassination attempt ultimately failed and he was arrested.
@moonbus saidPutin's too dangerous to challenge.
I would point out, for the umpteenth time, that there was a treaty in force when T45 came to office; it was working and verifiable. T45 shredded it and replaced it with nothing but mistrust; this proved to the Iranians that Trump could not be trusted. If T45 had honored that treaty, there would be no pretext to invade Iran now.
The fact that the Mullahs are nasty rulers to ...[text shortened]... the world who are abusing their own people, not least Putin; American is not the world's policeman.
@Nanomaster saidYou lose me here, but it all seems moot , does it not, given that Trump demands unconditional surrender. There is nothing to discuss. If they don't, he will do his thing. Won't be pretty. But, Iran is not pretty, ,,,,so, we cool.
Iran's leadership has made it clear that to end the current war, it is already insufficient if the US stops bombing Iran. Iran's current peace conditions include:
1. The US must pay reparations to Iran for the war of aggression.
2. The US must withdraw all its military bases from the Persian Gulf area, as these bases constitute a security threat to Iran.
The only t ...[text shortened]... from the Middle East. Then, how can Iran continue the war against the US. It need some explanation.
@moonbus saidMoonbs said..."I would point out, for the umpteenth time, that there was a treaty in force when T45 came to office; it was working and verifiable. T45 shredded it and replaced it with nothing but mistrust; this proved to the Iranians THAT TRUMP COULD NOT BE TRUSTED If T45 had honored that treaty, there would be no pretext to invade Iran now."
I would point out, for the umpteenth time, that there was a treaty in force when T45 came to office; it was working and verifiable. T45 shredded it and replaced it with nothing but mistrust; this proved to the Iranians that Trump could not be trusted. If T45 had honored that treaty, there would be no pretext to invade Iran now.
The fact that the Mullahs are nasty rulers to ...[text shortened]... the world who are abusing their own people, not least Putin; American is not the world's policeman.
We are telling Iran to watch out about trusting Trump???? We don't care what the Iranians think Moonbus. They also think death to america. Do you care what a hyena thinks? No, you don't.. Same thing. Trump cant wait for them to say NO SURRENDER.