Originally posted by ivanhoeAs I recall, Hitler was raised as a Catholic. The main thing to remember about Hitler is that he was a non-smoker, non-drinker, and pretty much a vegetarian.
Next thing you're going to claim is that Hitler was a Christian, hence National Socialism was a Christian doctrine.
Originally posted by DelmerDelmer: "As I recall, Hitler was raised as a Catholic."
As I recall, Hitler was raised as a Catholic. The main thing to remember about Hitler is that he was a non-smoker, non-drinker, and pretty much a vegetarian.
So is the marauder.
Delmer: "The main thing to remember about Hitler is that he was a non-smoker, non-drinker, and pretty much a vegetarian.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageBosse de Nage: "Muslims who now quote Quran passages about Muhammad's struggles with the three tribes to justify their emotional political bias distort the message of the Quran and the attitude of the Prophet, who hated Jews not."
When the ummah was in Medina, it was at war with the Meccans, led by Abu Sufyan, who intended to wipe out all those blasphemous upstarts the Muslims; Mecca triumphed at Uhud but received a thrashing at the Battle of the Trench; one further victory, and Mohammad found himself at the head of a growing tribal confederacy, whose members swore not to ...[text shortened]... and the attitude of the Prophet, who hated Jews not.
Edit--distort for distory, not wrong
I know. The subject of this thread however is not Islam as such. It is not even about Islam being anti-Semitic. It is about Jihadism being anti-Semitic. Please check out the first post.
As I said in an earlier post Arab anti-Semitism was influenced by European anti-Semitism, but Arab anti-Semitism does not stem from European anti-semitism.
Do you agree that Islamist organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah are anti-Semitic ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeWell, I certainly didn't mean to cast any aspersions upon N1M. Or, if the situation is reversed, upon Hitler either for that matter.
Delmer: "As I recall, Hitler was raised as a Catholic."
So is the marauder.
Delmer: "The main thing to remember about Hitler is that he was a non-smoker, non-drinker, and pretty much a vegetarian.
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Originally posted by kirksey957Well there is one voice of dissent. We just need about another couple of billion or so within the iron curtain of the Islamic world and we will be in good shape.
OK, I found her. She is Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Ivanhoe, if you see her, tell her I am offering her membership in my clan the BWA. I would like to play a game of chess wit her.
Edit: I just hope she does not wait till the last minute to fill out all of those organ donor cards.....if ya know what I mean.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIt proves nothing.
... and what exactly does this prove ?
EDIT: Have you watched the below video ? What is your comment on this hate speech by Sjeik Ibrahim Mudeiris ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0BiwanZgPM&mode=related&search=Jews%20islam%20anti-Semitism%20hatred%20muslim
Just like you saying the Prophet fought Jews in his time proves nothing.
Unfortunately I can't watch videos at work and it’s too late to do so now.
But if it's the same 'sheikh' as the one you quoted in another thread, I think you and Esoteric pointed out perfectly that he is misusing the religion.
I do however see where you are coming from when you say that people like this make you nervous.
But know that he is a common foe. To you and any true Muslim.
Originally posted by ASROMAAsroma: "But know that he is a common foe. To you and any true Muslim."
It proves nothing.
Just like you saying the Prophet fought Jews in his time proves nothing.
Unfortunately I can't watch videos at work and it’s too late to do so now.
But if it's the same 'sheikh' as the one you quoted in another thread, I think you and Esoteric pointed out perfectly that he is misusing the religion.
I do however see where you are ...[text shortened]... like this make you nervous.
But know that he is a common foe. To you and any true Muslim.
I'm pleased to hear this, Asroma.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIt [Anti-Semitism] is ingrained in a certain brand of [Christian] culture. It is certainly not a modern phenomenon. It has been present from the beginning of [Christianity]. [Paul] fought the Jews in his time and hence stems the [Christian] brand of anti-Semitism.
Next thing you're going to claim is that Hitler was a Christian, hence National Socialism was a Christian doctrine.
How would you characterize these statements, Ivanhoe?
Originally posted by no1marauderThe KKK would be an example of this. While maintaining their "Christianity", they consider Jews to be the devil.
It [Anti-Semitism] is ingrained in a certain brand of [Christian] culture. It is certainly not a modern phenomenon. It has been present from the beginning of [Christianity]. [Paul] fought the Jews in his time and hence stems the [Christian] brand of anti-Semitism.
How would you characterize these statements, Ivanhoe?
Originally posted by ivanhoeI'm not playing any blame games here, Ivanhoe. I wish to add some context to your thread. My post was culled from Islam: A Short History (Karen Armstrong). As for my views on Christianity, surely one can distinguish between the Christian faith with its emphasis on love and the unpleasant actions carried out by Christians throughout history. Ditto for Islam and the atrocities carried out by erring Muslims.
[b]Bosse de Nage: "Hatred of Jews, quite an old phenomenon in Christian countries, became marked in the Muslim world after 1948."
This fits in well with your biased view on Christianity. Round trizillion of "lets play the blame game".
Bosse de Nage: Hatred of Jews, ..... , became marked in the Muslim world after 1948.
"Which source is telling you this ?[/b]
For further context, here is an interview with Meir Litvak at Tel Aviv university. He dates modern Arab anti-Semitism (Judaeophobia, for the linguistic purists) back to 1894, stating that it reached its peak in 1948. (Note the role played in this history by the "blood libel"đ. He raises some interesting and challenging issues. http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-5.htm
Originally posted by ivanhoeHere you are doing something that you frequently accuse no1marauder of doing. I'm not sure what the technical term would be. In any case, I'm sure you understand the difference in meaning between "became marked after 1948" and "did not exist before 1948".
Do you agree with Bosse de Nage's claim that "Hatred of Jews, ..... , became marked in the Muslim world after 1948." Did it not exist before 1948 ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeI would not say "Hamas is anti-Semitic" like I would not say that "Israel is a Zionist state". I'm sure that's enough to earn me the derision of both sides. However these organisations do cite anti-Semitic texts in pursuit of their political goals and I'm fairly certain that a great many of their members profess anti-Semitic ideas.
Do you agree that Islamist organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah are anti-Semitic ?